Ed Carpenter 7th in the points. [Archive]

downtowndeco

28th May 2008, 04:24

electron

28th May 2008, 08:19

team improved, driver improved.
good to see something develops if time is given.

bennybigb

28th May 2008, 17:18

Thats nice and all, but isn't the IRL points system a joke?

It seems very Nascar-like, were it rewards mediocre performance. I would like to see a return to the CART points system, 20,16,14,12 etc. Just my opionion of course.

Didn't mean to hijack the thread, Ed Carpenter is doing a good job. Foyt seems to have improved as well, but the team's performance might fall off without Larry Curry.

usgrandprix

28th May 2008, 17:38

Thats nice and all, but isn't the IRL points system a joke?

It actually favors top finsihes a great deal:

1st 50
2nd 40
3rd 35
4th 32
5th 30
6th 28
7th 26
8th 24
9th 22
10th 20
(then 1-pt incements to 18th)

Three points are awarded to the driver who leads the most laps in each race.

4 points between 6th and 4th, yet there are 15 between 3rd and 1st. I think it's one of the things the league has done best.

So if you get a win, it's a huge deal.

Mad_Hatter

28th May 2008, 19:43

snooze

Madmonk

1st June 2008, 17:42

Ed Carpenter is starting to come into his own. If both the driver and the team continue to develop, they could be a dark horse for race wins.

Lousada

1st June 2008, 19:31

1st 50
2nd 40
3rd 35
4th 32
5th 30
6th 28
7th 26
8th 24
9th 22
10th 20
(then 1-pt incements to 18th)

Divide by 5:
1st 10
2nd 8
3rd 7
4th 6,4
5th 6
6th 5,6

So it's actually a lot tighter than the already tight European point system.
Of course the CART system is nearly the same except it doesn't give points for very low positions.

downtowndeco

8th June 2008, 15:11

Ed still in the top 10 with a 9th place ranking as of today.

cartpix

8th June 2008, 17:57

For those of you following the running debate whether Ed will finish in the points this year higher than at least 90% of the X CCWS drivers as of today Ed is in 7th place in the points and looking good. I'm sure if he stumbles you guys will let me know. : )

Thanks for the warm welcome, to us "transition fans". It's nice to have our noses rubbed in it. What's next, neernern neener poo poo? And here I thought the split was over. Apparently not.

Jeff

downtowndeco

8th June 2008, 19:58

Thanks for the warm welcome, to us "transition fans". It's nice to have our noses rubbed in it. What's next, neernern neener poo poo? And here I thought the split was over. Apparently not.

Jeff

The only reason this even came up was because a couple of CC fans were bagging on Ed, saying how much more talented even the CC back markers would be in comparison. I replied that I thought he would end up beating 90% of the transition drivers this year & a bet was made. So far he's ahead of 100% of them so apprently he's not the hack he was made out to be.

NickFalzone

8th June 2008, 20:59

I don't know of anyone calling Carpenter a hack this season. At least on the ovals he's a legitimate contender every time out. It's Foyt IV that I can't understand.

keysersoze

8th June 2008, 21:31

You guys praise too quickly. Six of the first seven races were on ovals. Of the remaining races, half (5) are on street / road courses, where Ed is lost. Expect him to drop like a stone in the standings. I mean, like, to almost 20th. I looked at the drivers between him and Justin (the driver currently 20th), and there's only about 35 points separating them.

cartpix

9th June 2008, 00:11

The only reason this even came up was because a couple of CC fans were bagging on Ed, saying how much more talented even the CC back markers would be in comparison. I replied that I thought he would end up beating 90% of the transition drivers this year & a bet was made. So far he's ahead of 100% of them so apprently he's not the hack he was made out to be.

So since you made a bet with someone, that a veteran driver, with a veteran team would do better than rookies in rookie teams, it's ok to bash & alienate the new members of this forum? I hope you make a *****load of money off that one. especially since at least one member hasn't seen the Carpenter bashing. But I guess if someone bashes your guys, it's ok to bash theirs. Two wrongs seem to make a right here. Once again, thanks for prolonging the split.

Jeff

downtowndeco

9th June 2008, 02:10

So since you made a bet with someone, that a veteran driver, with a veteran team would do better than rookies in rookie teams, it's ok to bash & alienate the new members of this forum? I hope you make a *****load of money off that one. especially since at least one member hasn't seen the Carpenter bashing. But I guess if someone bashes your guys, it's ok to bash theirs. Two wrongs seem to make a right here. Once again, thanks for prolonging the split.

Jeff

Again, I wouldn't have even brought it up if someone hadn't been ragging on Ed.

cartpix

9th June 2008, 03:31

Again, I wouldn't have even brought it up if someone hadn't been ragging on Ed.

I wouldn't have brought it up if you hadn't bagged on the Champ Car drivers. Excuse me for jumping into your resentment. It won't happen again. Maybe I should find a friendlier place.

Jeff

Civic

9th June 2008, 03:56

I wonder if Townsend Bell could do better if he was a fulltime Vision driver (IIRC George sought him out for a 3rd Vision car for a previous Indy 500).

BobGarage

9th June 2008, 09:05

Thanks for the warm welcome, to us "transition fans". It's nice to have our noses rubbed in it. What's next, neernern neener poo poo? And here I thought the split was over. Apparently not.

Jeff

the war is over. the wall has been torn down and most fans have moved on.

however, downtowndeco and a few of others are still standing either side of where the wall used to be throwing **** at each other.

his constant digs at champ car are rather pathetic and its best just to ignore him ;)

dataman1

9th June 2008, 16:53

By the way, after Texas he is now 9th with Servia in 10th.

downtowndeco

9th June 2008, 18:17

the war is over. the wall has been torn down and most fans have moved on.

however, downtowndeco and a few of others are still standing either side of where the wall used to be throwing **** at each other.

his constant digs at champ car are rather pathetic and its best just to ignore him ;)

Again, the only reason it even came up was a CC fan felt that it was important to talk smack about Ed in the first place. I simply stated that IMO he would end up in front of 90% of the CC transition drivers.

Yeah. I should have turned to the other cheek. But quite frankly after the **** IRL fans have had to endure for the last ten years I wasn't in the mood for it.

BobGarage

9th June 2008, 18:20

But quite frankly after the **** IRL fans have had to endure for the last ten years I wasn't in the mood for it.

it was the same for both sets of fans. The champ car forum used to full of IRL fans bashing CC, the same way the CC fans used to bash the IRL.

The war ended in February, its time to move on....

garyshell

10th June 2008, 06:05

Again, the only reason it even came up was a CC fan felt that it was important to talk smack about Ed in the first place. I simply stated that IMO he would end up in front of 90% of the CC transition drivers.

Yeah. I should have turned to the other cheek. But quite frankly after the **** IRL fans have had to endure for the last ten years I wasn't in the mood for it.

Jeeze, DTD you sound like the old Japanese men they found in caves years after the war was over. Do you really think the IRL fans are the ONLY victims in the abuse game? If so you didn't frequent many Champ Car or CART forums, did you?

Gary

bblocker68

10th June 2008, 16:18

This will be quite entertaining if Ed sinks like a rock after the roadies.

I know, I know......."But, someome else started it, not me".

cartpix

10th June 2008, 16:44

This will be quite entertaining if Ed sinks like a rock after the roadies.

I know, I know......."But, someome else started it, not me".

Ouh Oh, it's ON now. Oh no you di-n't.

Jeff

downtowndeco

10th June 2008, 21:14

This will be quite entertaining if Ed sinks like a rock after the roadies.

I know, I know......."But, someome else started it, not me".

I say this with a smile on my face, so don't get me wrong. I know Ed is not a road course specialist. I know he won't do as well at the RC as he does on the ovals. And I know if he stumbles you guys will let me know. I get it. But I still think when it all shakes out at the end of the year he'll have done better than most would have given him credit for. That's all I'm saying.

You know what the problem is w/some of the guys that post here? They can dish it out but they can't take it.

cartpix

10th June 2008, 23:01

Grow a pair already.

And this quote is found in which chapter of How to Win Friends and Influence People?

Jeff

coogmaster

17th June 2008, 20:18

Out of all the races that are left on the schedule, which do you think Ed has the best chance for a victory?

Definitly Chicago and Kentucky are probably his best chances, but I would say that a place like Richmond is where he could pull of a miracle, esp. if the race is full of accidents and he happens to avoid them.

What do you think?

BenRoethig

17th June 2008, 22:01

Divide by 5:
1st 10
2nd 8
3rd 7
4th 6,4
5th 6
6th 5,6

So it's actually a lot tighter than the already tight European point system.
Of course the CART system is nearly the same except it doesn't give points for very low positions.

And what incentive does that give the other 20 cars? The euro system may reward winning, but it doesn't recognize consistency and it doesn't punish mistakes. The euro system also promotes the win or wreck mentality that gets people hurt.

ChampUSfan

20th June 2008, 19:40

Way tO gO Ed!! yOu will win the champiOnship One day!!

weeflyonthewall

20th June 2008, 20:37

it was the same for both sets of fans. The champ car forum used to full of IRL fans bashing CC, the same way the CC fans used to bash the IRL.

The war ended in February, its time to move on....

Maybe a tough assignment for Downtowndeco? He'd be at a loss for words without the conflict. Regardless how authentic the criticism was of Ed Carpenter or Danica Patrick.

dataman1

25th June 2008, 15:42

Most recent standings. Ed is 10th with Power in 9th and Servia in 11th.

http://www.indycar.com/stats/points.php?year=2008

downtowndeco

25th June 2008, 22:19

Most recent standings. Ed is 10th with Power in 9th and Servia in 11th.

http://www.indycar.com/stats/points.php?year=2008

Still ahead of 90% of them even considering he had a parts failure this last race & Marco took him out the one before. : )

Spiderman

26th June 2008, 11:39

Still ahead of 90% of them even considering he had a parts failure this last race & Marco took him out the one before. : )

He for sure has the better prepared car then 100% of them, at least on ovals...

Chris Herr

5th July 2008, 21:09

If Vision Racing has any vision, they will realize their drivers will need to be road course savy. Ed Carpenter and AJ Foyt aren't cuttin' it. I like both drivers but both they need a road course development program. Maybe Tony George will be forced to reconsider his driver lineup (yeah right).http://forums.motorsport.com/forums/images/icons/rolleyes.gif

NickFalzone

6th July 2008, 04:47

Ed and AJ's first experience with road courses was last season. So big surprise they suck there. Agreed they need a full road course program in the off-season, including karting.

NickFalzone

9th July 2008, 02:39

I was reading Robin Miller's column and he reiterated the Paul Tracy rumor for a couple races, he also says that "Tony George is hiring Bryan Herta as a driver coach to try and improve the road racing skills of Ed Carpenter and A.J. Foyt IV." Good move.

downtowndeco

25th August 2008, 14:21

Ed has slipped a little since this thread started but is holding steady in 12th with just a couple races to go. Not bad for someone a lot of people like to bag on.

-Helix-

25th August 2008, 17:45

I wouldn't have brought it up if you hadn't bagged on the Champ Car drivers. Excuse me for jumping into your resentment. It won't happen again. Maybe I should find a friendlier place.

Jeff

So you attack someone and then complain about this place not being friendly enough?

If anyone is "prolonging the split", it's you for making such a big deal out of a guy defending his favorite driver.

SarahFan

25th August 2008, 17:58

Tony does have a bit of a conundrum on his hands with Vision racing....

if he and his drivers win, or god forbid made a championship run wouldn't it spurn some questioning of favortism on some if not real at the very least percieved level?

Vision was clearly formed in response to low car count..... if the league can sustain 26-28 car field for another year or two I wonder if he will he close up shop?

Chris Herr

26th August 2008, 02:10

"Ed has slipped a little since this thread started"

7th to 12th

I'd say he's slipped alot since this thread started.

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Chris Herr

26th August 2008, 02:17

"Still ahead of 90% of them even considering he had a parts failure this last race & Marco took him out the one before. : )"

OK, so does every driver get to eliminate their two worst finishes or just Ed??

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speeddurango

26th August 2008, 06:36

downtowndeco

26th August 2008, 14:45

It was rather stupid to start such a topic at the first place, right from the start of the season the Vision racing has been rock solid on ovals and it's no wonder 2 vision racing drivers were up there, and when the driver input becames slightly more important which is when they run on roadies, the truth immediately emerages. I mean, it's not even a debate of CC and IRL, Ed Capenter is even worse than most of the past IRL drivers.

First off there are only 2 races left in the season and he is in twelveth. That means he has 14 or 15 other drivers behind him in the points. He's hardly one of the worst ever. I surprised you'd even say that considering he's in front of almost all the supossed more talented xCC drivers.

Secondly, this stupid thread only started because a guy bagged on Ed & I posted that I thought he wasn't that bad & he'd probably finish in front of 90% of the CC transition drivers. A very small, friendly wager was made. So far he has been holding his own.

You can be sure if he was 20th+ in the points that they would remind me. ; )

Chris R

26th August 2008, 19:57

Racer had a nice spot on Ed Carpernter a month or two ago...

FWIW - Ed has done ok for himself as a driver. He is not the best and not the worst. He has improved each year and that is morethan can be said for some.

I think where Ed is going to end up being a bit like Chip Ganassi - a great ex-driver who will run Vision racing and will have the knowledge and insider respect to do a decent job of it.....

Old3Fan

27th August 2008, 00:06