Yuji Ide vs Nelson Pique Junior

[elinagr]

I rate NPJ very low, because he is driving a car that is capable to finish at least in the top 10, but the huge mistakes he is doing, makes me angry about the fact that he is in F1 only for his name, nothing else!
If we remember Yuji Ide was in f1, in the smallest team with the slowest car, and the mistakes we have seen from him can be compared to NPJ...
Get rid those who are there only for the name and money, there are so many out of F1 that have better talent.

[ioan]

Get rid those who are there only for the name and money, there are so many out of F1 that have better talent.

Like for example.... Ide!? :p :

[F1boat]

I think that Nelson is inconsistent, while Ide was hopeless.

[millencolin]

Comparing Ide with Piquet... ok

gp2 wins for Nelson - 5

FNippon wins for Ide (closest comparative series) - 3

Number of Superlicences revoked for Ide - 1

come on... lets be a little more realistic.

Comparing Ide to Tarso Marques or Mazzacane would perhaps be a little more suitable

[ShiftingGears]

I think that Nelson is inconsistent, while Ide was hopeless.

Definitely.

[Azumanga Davo]

Mistaking Ide for someone who had talent is a criminal offence in this part of the world. Why isn't it in yours? :s

[V12]

Yeah I think the comparison is a little harsh on NPJ...although I think he may turn out to be another Bernoldi or Pizzonia (quick, brilliant record in lower categories, but gets to F1 and just seems to be lacking that extra something).

[jens]

Ide?

I tend to agree with the post above that drawing a parallel between Pizzonia and Piquet Jr would be more suitable. Also Ricardo Zonta won F3000, but the main memories from his F1 career are about ruining the races of other drivers. And even Ricardo Rosset - the guy, who failed to qualify on several occasions - was second in F3000.

Hey, quite several Brazilians have been mentioned. A common syndrome - doing well in lower series, but going mad in F1? :p : Emotional guys from a warm state become too nervous at the highest level of motorsport and fail to handle the pressure.

[ioan]

Emotional guys from a warm state become too nervous at the highest level of motorsport and fail to handle the pressure.

What about Ascari, Fangio, Gonzales Froilan, Patrese, Piquet, Senna? And there are some other great GP drivers from warm, southern latin countries!

[jens]

What about Ascari, Fangio, Gonzales Froilan, Patrese, Piquet, Senna? And there are some other great GP drivers from warm, southern latin countries!

So what? By that post I didn't mean that all of them fail. ;)

[Valve Bounce]

Hey, quite several Brazilians have been mentioned. A common syndrome - doing well in lower series, but going mad in F1? :p : Emotional guys from a warm state become too nervous at the highest level of motorsport and fail to handle the pressure.

This is just about the most ridiculous generalisation ever posted in this forum.

[dc10]

This is just about the most ridiculous generalisation ever posted in this forum.

The original thread is a tad pointless.

[Valve Bounce]

The original thread is a tad pointless.

I know!! I just thought I'd check out why anyone would mention Ide in the F1 forum.

However, I think Junior opened his mouth before the start of the season stating he intended to beat Fernando; I had posted a thread about that. I guess both Fisi and Mark Webber are better drivers than Junior, but with Junior, he is never going to cause Alonso any problems about who should stay behind.

[Hawkmoon]

The original post is a little unfair on Ide isn't it?

I mean, Piquet the Younger hasn't gotten anywhere near the stunningly high level of ineptitude that Ide managed to attain during his short stay in the sport.

[Valve Bounce]

The original post is a little unfair on Ide isn't it?

I mean, Piquet the Younger hasn't gotten anywhere near the stunningly high level of ineptitude that Ide managed to attain during his short stay in the sport.

Yeah!! I guess you're right. :(

[cy bais]

yeah unfair comparison really as much as i consider NPJ to be overrated.

[elinagr]

after monaco what do you think about this thread??
is afair comparison.. he just CAN'T stay on the track, so simple

[Valve Bounce]

after monaco what do you think about this thread??
is afair comparison.. he just CAN'T stay on the track, so simple


Who cares, Walter, who cares!!!

[Tallgeese]

Piquet needs more time to coax more out of the machine. I do think that his arrival to F1 was premature, but he's had his baptisim of fire, & needs more experience. But comparing him to Ide doesn't do justice for anybody! Ide was just dangerous & I dare say that Glock is actually worse than Ide!

[K-Pu]

Ide was something you must see before dying...

Comparing him to other F1 drivers is hard, because because not many of them are unable to find the reverse gear, asi Ide did at Imola.

I think NPJ is better driver than Ide, but he´s not a champion at all. I think he won´t see the end of this season from the cockpit...

And Glock is not that bad. Quite unspectacular, but he has´t caused mayhem or embarrasement in such high amounts as Ide did.

[Yankee Racer]

I'm not sure anyone could ever be on the same level as Yuji Ide.

[Valve Bounce]

Ide was something you must see before dying...

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Now that is a dangerous mission :eek:

[Hawkmoon]

I'm not sure anyone could ever be on the same level as Yuji Ide.

I don't know about that. Do the names Riccardo Rosset or Olivier Grouillard mean anything to you?

[fugariracing]

LOL! Ide was the driver most woefully out of his depth, and painstakingly inept, to race F1 in the last 10-12 years easy. Would have looked good only in comparison to the pay-driver heyday of the mid-90s.

Thread gave me a good laugh though.

[elinagr]

Valve what do you want from me?

[SGWilko]

Valve what do you want from me?

A better understanding of the humour in his posts I should think.... :p :

[elinagr]

lol...

[Valve Bounce]

Valve what do you want from me?

Time to call it a day. Your disjointed simile has run far enough to be put to rest. Give it up. You are just making it worse by babbling about Ide. Beware the Ides of March!! That's when Sulius Jeesar got shafted!! :eek:

[CNR]

Piquet has three races to save F1 career. (http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/163998-0/piquet_has_three_races_to_save_f1_career.html)
http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/163998-0/piquet_has_three_races_to_save_f1_career.html


Nelsinho Piquet allegedly has just three races left now to prove that he is worthy of his place in Formula 1 (http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/home/), following a massively disappointing start to his fledgling career in the top flight.

[elinagr]

whats your problem about this thread?you dont like it?dont read it and dont answer..simple

[SGWilko]

whats your problem about this thread?you dont like it?dont read it and dont answer..simple

Who are you referring to? It would help if you could use the quote button every once in a while. It just comes across as if you are addressing the entire forum... ;)

[elinagr]

valve..anyway

[Firstgear]

Get rid those who are there only for the name and money, there are so many out of F1 that have better talent.

The answer is right there in your last line. Sadly, F1 drivers are not chosen based on talent alone, and as long as money is involved in the sport there will be criteria other than talent that count as well.

- nationality
- name
- looks

All these (and there's probably others) are considered because they can generate money. So it's a combination of talent and your ability to generate money that gets you the drive. The only way to solve it is to take money out of the equation.....and that aint about to happen, especially in F1 where money Rule$.

[Valve Bounce]

whats your problem about this thread?you dont like it?dont read it and dont answer..simple

Comparing Ide with Junior or vice versa is kinda silly, and everyone here is trying to tell you that. I just love it when someone says silly things and then tries to justify it by prolonging the agony. But I am at liberty to make fun of such silliness, am I not?

[elinagr]

no you are a ******* aussie thats all

[leopard]

Valve what do you want from me?

I doubt Mr Valve is still interested in this offer. ;) :p :

[elinagr]

black humor

[Valve Bounce]

I doubt Mr Valve is still interested in this offer. ;) :p :

:D :D :rotflmao:

[pino]

Back to the topic thank you !

[elinagr]

What do you thing of this comparison?

Ide deserves a chance in a better team..many drivers start their career in a decent team and have better chances..some of them not..and every little mistake in a bad car counts more

[jens]

Huh?
In Bahrain 2006 Ide lost to Sato in qualifying by 2,8 seconds...
In Malaysia the gap was an impressive 1,7 seconds.
In Australia he lost by awesome 3,9 secs.
And Ide's last attempt in San Marino ended with a 1,6-second loss to Sato in Q1.

Sorry, but this is just hopeless. If a rookie has any talent, then his laptimes should be at least within one second of his team-mate's times. And except Australia the highly-criticized Piquet has managed it.

[Valve Bounce]

Let's face it: Ide was hired to fill the second seat of the aging second hand Arrows because Honda wanted a second japanese driver alongside Sato that year. If you can tell me what Ide had done before he was hired by Honda to drive the spent Arrows, then let us know, OK!!

[elinagr]

calm down :D

[Valve Bounce]

Having said all that, I would be surprised if Piquet is not replaced before the end of the season. It all depends how much money in the form of sponsorship Junior brings to Renault. But!! we are discussing that on another thread.

[elinagr]

good for you

[Tallgeese]

Ide was something you must see before dying...

Comparing him to other F1 drivers is hard, because because not many of them are unable to find the reverse gear, asi Ide did at Imola.

I think NPJ is better driver than Ide, but he´s not a champion at all. I think he won´t see the end of this season from the cockpit...

And Glock is not that bad. Quite unspectacular, but he has´t caused mayhem or embarrasement in such high amounts as Ide did.

Still early days for Piquet Jnr, but I feel that he's succumbing to too much pressure & shoulkd relax. Everybody knows that many were anxious to see the Piquet Dynasty back in action & that taking on Kovalanian role would never be easy as he excelled even in tough circumstances, eventually triumphing over veteren Fisichella & earning a seat at McLaren-Mercedes.

Ide was an unpleasant memory in F1 (the guy couldn't even speak enough English to understand pit instructions) but from what we have seen Piquet Jnr will probably pick up the pace a bit & add to Renault's points tally in time. If he doesn't then Renault should really blame themselves because he wasn't really ready. Had Fisichella been supporting Alonso they would have scored at least four more points by now, perhaps more!

As for Glock, the man has had decent opportunities but is a dangerous driver & reminds me a lot of Ide, but probably has taken a lesson or two in what not to do. His performances at ChampCar & GP2 were dismal to say the least, & his first stint with Jordan was a luck-factor.

[elinagr]

Nelsinio is payed or he pays? i think that nobody is paying nowadays to drive?
whats his salary?

[gm99]

As for Glock, the man has had decent opportunities but is a dangerous driver & reminds me a lot of Ide, but probably has taken a lesson or two in what not to do. His performances at ChampCar & GP2 were dismal to say the least, & his first stint with Jordan was a luck-factor.

Dismal? Glock was rookie of the year in Champ Car in 2005, finished 8th overall in standings and almost won at Montreal.
In GP2 of course Glock won the championship in 2007.
While I agree that he has not performed all that well in F1 so far this season, I think that his performance in ChampCar and GP2 can hardly be described as dismal.

[leopard]

Nelsinio is payed or he pays? i think that nobody is paying nowadays to drive?
whats his salary?
Sponsor pays, Nelsino is payed.

Valve is payed but sometimes doesn't pay :) :p :

[elinagr]

valve is owned

[SGWilko]

valve is owned

Yes, by Mummy & Daddy Valve no doubt?! ;) :laugh:

[leopard]

valve is owned

Me too, when I am at home ;)

[elinagr]

then i owe you

[elinagr]

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ide will be back some day

[Valve Bounce]

yeah!! in March - we get lots of Ides in March!! Just Beware the Ides of March!!