Conspiracy Theories

[PitMarshal]

Right, time to see if I can join the infractions club...

Actually, I do need to be careful here, because I'm about to do some finger pointing whilst trying not to upset any lawyers. I was going to post this in direct response to R59's comments on another thread but didn't want to take it off-topic.

Anyway, as a marshal, you hear a lot of stories about how series' are doing and if you know the right people it's usually easy to tell which way the wind is blowing, and at the end of last year all the signs for SCSA 2008 actually looked good. There were solid rumours of new drivers waiting in the wings, and serious talk of some road course outings to keep the PUT's company. Then, all of a sudden, Duane gets the carpet pulled out from underneath him.
When I first heard the news of no oval outings, I actually wasn't that suprised. After all the championship status had been lost, the series had been saddled with poor grids and endless empty promises of how things would get better for a couple of years, and it was being run by the BRSCC, who are generally considered by everyone outside of the BRSCC to be incapable of organizing an orgy in a brothel. But then I heard that the PUT's were still going to be at the Rock', and that to me doesn't make sense. Logistically, I can't see the point in running one series on the oval, but not the other. After all, it's not as if the PUT's need the oval. They are well established as a road course series now; the loss of the oval would be a blow, but I don't think it would cause lasting damage. So who would benefit from the loss of the V8’s? I can only think if two candidates; someone in Rockingham’s management, or someone in the BRSCC.

Now I know that Rockingham is only the venue provider, and in theory has no say in the running of a race meeting, but I don’t believe that a circuit isn’t going to have some influence over what happens on its tarmac. But what can they gain? After all the circuit was built and is known for being an oval venue. It needs oval racing in order to have a long term future. Surely they should be doing as much as they can to keep the V8’s running. Oh hang on a mo’ isn’t CDL owned by a property developer? And yes I know the stories about ‘it’s a brownfield site’, ‘the grounds contaminated’ etc, but I refuse to believe that a developer is going to knowingly buy a piece of land that can’t be developed. That’s going to make them look pretty daft at the next shareholders meeting. Call me cynical, but I guarantee that if Rockingham fails, it’ll end up as houses or a shopping mall or industrial units. It won’t survive as a motorsport venue.

So what about the BRSCC? As the organizers they have a very big say over what happens. They also have a financial interest. Losing the V8’s means there are more sessions available for infield racing. If you can find a series with more than nine cars, hey presto! More entry fees.

So there you go. The prosecution rests. Anyone want to take a guess as to the guilty party?

[The Pits!]

So there you go. The prosecution rests. Anyone want to take a guess as to the guilty party?
Not in public - I can't afford the court-case :(

[Gasman#99]

[quote="PitMarshal"]Right, time to see if I can join the infractions club...

So there you go. The prosecution rests. Anyone want to take a guess as to the guilty party?[/quot
HRH Prince Philip and the royals-oh sorry wrong case!!

[shuz7]

MI6

[racingrivalsDOT]

I actually thought this might be interesting to read, with lot's of juicy gossip. But you didn't say anything that will get you in trouble, just taking wild guesses and hoping somebody else will add there three pennies worth.

I just typed out a huge reply, but I'll end up getting another infraction for my opinion.

Basically, it's not Rockingham's(in it's present form) fault. It's not down to Sonny Howard. It's not even the fault of the BRSCC. Before somebody flames me, I'll go on record as saying it's nothing to do with the present series administration. Duane has done a great job keeping the cars on track. So who's fault is it then?

When the series was formed, it nearly went belly up so Rockingham stepped in. Instead of buying forty cars and giving them to people who want to run, they paid huge amounts of money to teams and drivers from other series who were only interested in the series because they were being paid. It was like building a palace on a sandy beach, there were no foundations put in place in terms of structure. (I could say a lot more here, about people funding other series race teams from money that should of gone to ASCAR, but we'll keep that for another day).

Enter Ashley Pover and the Thunder Sunday concept. On the track, RML had left so a couple of teams were still being subsidised but this had been agreed before Pover started. End of his first year, he withdraws funding for all teams (in terms of bankrolling them) and we lose HTML and Team Turn Four (RML offshoot). Thousands coming through the gates, the series is really going places. Until somebody books 50 Cent. Not sure who the person is, but we definately need to name and shame on the forum! Whoever it was basically killed off the circuit and led to ultimately led to CDL buying it.

The circuit has made some tough choices but in terms of being a business, Rockingham is much more healthy now than it ever has been. In terms of a race track, it's not as strong but these decisions are made financially. Alfie is reputedly a racing fan, and wants to see some big things happen at Rockingham. But he is a businessman, and will only do things that add something to the viability of the place. On that basis, I move that the prosecution drop all charges against him. (lol)

As for Sonny Howard, he is trying to the best for the PUT's and who can blame him? He wanted the garages, he wanted the anthem and he wanted star billing. Based on car numbers, entertainment value and viability of the series, who could really argue with him? It's a bitter pill to swallow, but the PUT's deserved what they got.

I will just state again, this is no way due to the current administration of the series, but the lack of forward planning from conception and the withdrawal of all financial support. Let's face it, we all criticised in the past but to keep 15 cars on track after everything that happened was a huge achievement. But in the end, the costs of racing proved too much, so cuts here and cuts there to racing budgets meant that most cars were barely making it out on track. The comment that shocked me on this forum is that somebody went through last year on two sets of tyres. How can the series be competetive and entertaining when people are running round on a set of tyres for half a year? Again, don't flame me for saying that, but I'm merely trying to point out how tight things were racing at Rockingham.

So what now? I really believe the only way to go forward is to have 20 cars on the grid with proper branding and all the extras thrown in. Autograph sessions, driver cards, trade stands, music etc. NASCAR is run as a fan orientated business. Customer is number 1. If we keep the punters happy, they will keep coming back with their hard earned cash. It's the only way we can pull it off. Cars on their own and nobody in the stands will not generate prize money, TV and sponsorship interest, which is what we need to grow as a series. Let's go back with the basics, put on a show and then build for the future with a sound business footing. Otherwise we may as well give up now.

On the basis that Rockingham is a business and wants to make money, if SCSA was to become a series with large crowds that meant we could generate money for the track, they would be happy to have us there once a month.

[Dave17]

Until somebody books 50 Cent. Not sure who the person is, but we definately need to name and shame on the forum! Whoever it was basically killed off the circuit and led to ultimately led to CDL buying it.

Once more you turn into racingDrivals...

So whoever booked 50 Cent is responsible for the downfall of ASCAR.....why would you think that??????
I can't remember any riots or shootings!

What Lewis Hamilton and Robert Kubica are doing now in F1 the "person responsible" was tryng to do then-tapping into an ethnic background that wouldn't normally be interested in motorsport.

Who is responsible then? The answer is not just one thing but a lot of different factors. One thing I know for sure is that if Sky had been showing NASCAR live a few years back it would have been a different story such is the interest being shown by first time veiwers the the world of big oval racing.

[Tractorboy.]

Duane can i post on this thread please??!!!!

[Duane]

No need to say anything Tractor, as you have already seen we are better off away from the oval, this thread is being posted on, once again, by people who think we belong on the oval and nowhere else, if they was to support us and come and see how good it is away from that place then we may start moving even quicker.

forget the oval its in the past.

Duane

[racingrivalsDOT]

50 Cent was a financial disaster that was pretty much the final financial nail in Rockinghams coffin. Combined with the debt the circuit was carrying and other losses, chucking away another substancially obscene figure of money was the final straw and forced the sale of the business. That is how it was explained to me, and seeing the figures involved (the cost of the 50 Cent event) backs it up.

I'm sorry Dave, but it's not about rioting or shootings, businesses are run with money and if you spend a large amount of money and don't recieve even a quarter of it back, then you are onto a loser and Rockingham at the time did the right thing (as a business). I am a fan of stock car racing too, but looking at it from an independent point of view, you can see how it all came to this.

One final point to back up the 50 Cent thing... Rockingham Thunder Sundays were a family day out, a concept to bring in large crowds. How many mums would bring their kids to see 50 Cent at Rockingham? The majority of kids wouldn't be interested either. So there is no hook for people to come. You keep forgetting that ASCAR was not an established series. The large crowds came for the music, but enjoyed the racing. As long as it was a family friendly band, people would come and enjoy the racing. If I'm wrong, why did the crowds dramatically decline when the music was removed from events? Then the crowds that were left started to decline when there were only four or fve cars competing week in week out. The teams with the sponsorship and the money were ok, would Oli Playle dominate the series if Vergers and co were there racing? Probably not.

Please don't flame me, I'm just stating a few home truths. The series can continue on road courses for as long as they want. There are no pressures from anyone else. The main issue is that people are coming on the forum giving information that is not quite true. Is Rockingham going to close? Not a chance. Is it going to ever have the amount racing we had in the past? Probably not. Any racing that does happen will need to pay for the use of the track and unless you have that money, you can forget about it. The club meetings are paid for by each individual series based on the amount of track time. The series pay the organising body of the event, who then take their cut and then pay the track. That is fact and although I don't like it either, thats the way it is. If people don't want to pay entry fees, we need admission revenue to cover the cost. Rockingham are promoting the events themselves this year. If SCSA were to promote their own meetings from next year, paying the track fee like other organising bodies, they could then recoup some money back by inviting the pick-ups etc to support. If you did the other bits to bring in the crowds, you then subsidise the racing with the gate revenue (in form of a prize fund).

But like I said, I'll probably get an infraction for my opinion. What would you do Dave? How would you pay for track time when drivers and teams can't afford it? And how would you convince guys to join the series when you consider the entry costs / tyres / fuel and everything else with very little sponsorship around, no TV and poor crowds. The cars alone are not enough, look at the figures from last year. Even with 18 cars on the grid, the series will still struggle without TV / sponsorship andc gate money.

As for attracting more ethnic guests, I think that is a slightly racist standpoint. Is 50 Cent only liked by ethnic people? I would say 50 Cent is a rap artist, and his fans are made up from all different backgrounds. I don't buy the fact that F1 introduced a polish driver and black driver because they wanted to increase interest. They both got there on talent. Same with NASCAR, they have tried to develop drivers but if you don't have the talent, you don't get in. Fact is, he was too specialist. Thunder Sundays was a family concept and needed a mainstream artist each time to work. Saying that, anybody who didn't cost more than a fifth of what 50 Cent cost would of broken even. The costs of artists are something IO won't even go into, but Rockingham did pay some of them over the odds, mainly because of the booking agents used. Just a shame they didn't research their ideas more thoroughly.

[kjb]

bored now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

[racingrivalsDOT]

Me too. So lets stop blaming other people for the demise of the series... doesn't matter now. All that matters is that the series moves on from here, and from what I've been told things are definately going the in right direction.

[Dave17]

forget the oval its in the past.

Duane

If the oval is in the past so is ASCAR or whatever its called these days.

Nobody seems interested in Speedcar and they have "name" drivers so what hope has ASCAR?

[Speedworx]

forget the oval its in the past.

Duane

Then you have lost 90% of your fan base. V8's and pickups should run together as a package on the oval and on road courses.

[racingrivalsDOT]

I agree with you Dave, and that if Speedcar can't succeed with the big names and huge funding, what chance has ascar go. But Duane didn't take the cars there because he wanted to, more because he had to. Apparently it's a lot of fun, and thats why we go racing. But to pay the bills and bring in the punters, I think we need Rockingham. But why can't SCSA do ovals and road courses?

[Gasman#99]

This is getting really boring now, how many threads do people have to start before they get it into there heads that duane and co did not goto the oval this year through there own choice. its about time people moved on and followed the series to make it work. At cadwell there were alot of people watching the v8's going around and never having seen them before. Come and show your support at some of the meetings, and who knows what will happen in the future.
And remember:
The futures bright-the futures oooo so bright!
for all those who still are not happy, change websites- my little girl recommends cbeebies.

[cameronian]

I totally agree with Speedworx and Dave. There are more than enough "tin top" road series. I have supported Ascar from the beginning as an oval series and this year my support has continued under the assumption the aim was to get back on the oval. As this is not the case then that's it I'm afraid.
By the way the final comment by Gasman may help answer the question posed in another thread.

[The Pits!]

...why can't SCSA do ovals and road courses?
No reason - except this year they aren't :(

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, it's so easy to lay the blame after the event, but the truth is as soon as Rockingham withdrew the money the series struggled.

The problem is that ASCAR/SCSA/... was developed for Oval Racing and now it isn't.

I just hope it will again real soon :)

[Duane]

im not saying we are not going to try and go back to the oval, just its in the past now and as such we need to work on what we have.

it will never be a totally oval series again, the oval rounds will always be outnumberd by the road course rounds......unless someone builds more ovals !!!!

i was a fan of the oval and believed thats where we should be, my mind has been changed, give it a chance, dont knock it till you've tried it !!!!

Change or die, it seems to some on here its Oval or dead.

Duane

[The Pits!]

it will never be a totally oval series again, the oval rounds will always be outnumberd by the road course rounds, Duane

even though ...


ASCAR/SCSA/... was developed for Oval Racing


I don't care if you have to race on normal circuits as well - just come back to the Oval - where you belong :)

[Reynard]

Right, I'm taking my moderator's hat off for a little while.

My *personal* opinion is survival first (by any means necessary) and then once back on firm ground, take it from there. If the mountain *can't* come to us, then we *must* go to the mountain.

What I find really quite sad is that because the series has (temporarily) moved off the oval, a lot of the fans just don't want to know. Actually, it isn't sad, it's utterly depressing. The cars haven't changed and neither have the folks who drive them and it's gutting to see some of that support being peed into the wind.

Me, I'm still there - because I love the cars (all the ones on the VSR grid for that matter), respect the drivers and enjoy spending time with the folks who put the time and effort in to keep the show on the road.

Take another analogy as it were. Say you've supported Sometown United all your life and have a season ticket for the club - you're a dyed-in-the-wool fan and you go week in week out, help with the fanzine etc. You used to play in the Premiership, but now you're down in the middle of League Two. Does your club mean any less to you now as it did then?

Think about it.

Right, I'm putting my moderator's hat back on again. That was Witty the V8 fan talking, not Witty the moderator or Witty the photographer. Just me.

[The Pits!]

Witty, the difference - for me - is that I am not a "dyed-in-the-wool" SCSA fan, I am a "dyed-in-the-wool" SCSA Oval Marshal, and have done every round at The Rock since it started (except when I was flooded in :( )

I also at the same time marshalled at numerous other 'normal' circuits for other series.

This year I have neither the time nor the inclination to chase the V8's around the country.

If they return to The Rock I'll be there, until then enjoy the countryside.

[Duane]

oh B*gg*r, are you saying we are Leeds United then Witty!!!

[The Pits!]

oh Bugger, are you saying we are Leeds United then Witty!!!

No, more like Rushden and Diamond :)

[bravheart]

Me too. So lets stop blaming other people for the demise of the series... doesn't matter now. All that matters is that the series moves on from here, and from what I've been told things are definately going the in right direction.


You seem to have allot to say!.. but if i recall, you were 1 of those people who said they were going to join the series as a driver?? and didnt even turn up for their rookie test?

Maybe people will take you more serious if you put your money where your M***h is!!

[Reynard]

oh B*gg*r, are you saying we are Leeds United then Witty!!!

Noooo, I was thinking more along the lines of MK Dons. ;)

[bravheart]

Its Good to read that so many of you fan's want the V8's back at the Rock!

Have you ever thought? ...if Rockingham see that the fans are following the V8's around the circuits and are leaving Rock stands empty! maybe the actions would speak louder than words!

Team Networking would be more than happy to invite the Forum Fans to join us at 1 or all of the tracks for some paddock hospitality! We will miss you as much as it seems that you will miss us! Maybe we could have Paul's V8 as a Fans Forum Car? just an idea...

[racingrivalsDOT]

Hey everyone, lots of good points raised above. My only point Witty is that I'm not a dye in the wool ASCAR fan, I'm more a NASCAR fan and that was after getting into it through ASCAR. Like myself, I doubt that most people through the gates at Rockingham were dye in the wool fans, and to be able to compete at Rockingham we need them on a regular basis. Maybe Duane is right, the series is more fun elsewhere. But I want to see oval racing at Rockingham and if it's not happening, I'd much rather watch Keith and Mickle, or even better, get the fox coverage online. I'm just not a circuit racing guy, tried it and loved it, then discovered stock car racing at Rockinfgham and nothing comes close. Not to say I don't want to see you guys succeed on road courses, and if it helps get dates at Rockingham then fantastic.

[cameronian]

Witty the flaw in your analogy is that the team is still playing football.
Ascar is no longer an oval series but a road series.
A mix of road and oval courses is fine but the statement "forget the oval it is in the past" suggested to me that as an oval series Ascar is dead.
Like you I have had some great times supporting Ascar and have appreciated the fan friendly aspect and can count on one hand the number of meetings I have missed over the years.
The drivers are all without exception real heroes and great guys and I take away some great memories.

[bravheart]

[quote="cameronian"]Witty the flaw in your analogy is that the team is still playing football.
Ascar is no longer an oval series but a road series.
A mix of road and oval courses is fine but the statement "forget the oval it is in the past" suggested to me that as an oval series Ascar is dead.


It is only on hold! not dead!

[JovialJooles]

What I find really quite sad is that because the series has (temporarily) moved off the oval, a lot of the fans just don't want to know. Actually, it isn't sad, it's utterly depressing. The cars haven't changed and neither have the folks who drive them and it's gutting to see some of that support being peed into the wind.

I am a fan of big Oval racing. Rockingham is a big Oval. I am a fan of racing at Rockingham.

I became a Founder Member of Rockingham because I wanted to see the Champcar races and I hoped we would get a single seater series running at Rockingham. NB. Founder Member of Rockingham, NOT ASCAR.

I tolerated the awful kitsch of ASCAR for the first season with the plain stupid nicknames for the drivers and by the second season I had started to enjoy the racing. As time went on and we lost Champcar, ASCARS were the next best thing, so I continued to follow the series.

However, once the Pick-ups converted to running on the full oval, they became my primary interest. There have been a few good races with the ASCARS, but far to often, they turned into drawn out processions with very little interest.

Over the past several seasons, for consistently close racing on the Oval, for me, it has to be Pick-ups.

As a racing facility for the fans, for me, it has to be Rockingham.

Ultimately, I am a fan of the racing at Rockingham be it on the Oval, or the infield. If it's on the infield I can follow about 90% of the race. If I go to other circuits, I get a few moments of a car zooming past...

Witty, why would I go and see the V8s on road courses?

My allegiance is to racing at Rockingham, not to any particular series. Therefore, my support isn't being peed into the wind.

Given what has been said on here about Rockingham by those involved with the V8s, what on earth makes you think they will be welcomed back?
Given the attitude of some on this forum towards the fans, why the hell should the fans follow them?

If they do part with their hard earned money and visit another circuit, exactly how many V8s will be there for the fans?
So far there are 2.
Some reward for their continued support and their continued financial outlay...



You seem to have allot to say!.. but if i recall, you were 1 of those people who said they were going to join the series as a driver?? and didnt even turn up for their rookie test?

Maybe people will take you more serious if you put your money where your M***h is!!
Duncan, we have done this to death. I am loosing the will to live! :s nore:

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Let the Flaming commence... :hot: :hot: :p

[bravheart]

[quote="JovialJooles"]I am a fan of big Oval racing. Rockingham is a big Oval. I am a fan of racing at Rockingham.




Duncan, we have done this to death. I am loosing the will to live! :s nore:


He! He! well maybe you should grab a 2 seater V8 ride with me this year then!!!

[racing59]

Bring me a bucket......

[Reynard]

Can I go and dig a hole for myself now??? :(

[scubie]

I am a fan of big Oval racing. Rockingham is a big Oval. I am a fan of racing at Rockingham.




Duncan, we have done this to death. I am loosing the will to live! :s nore:


He! He! well maybe you should grab a 2 seater V8 ride with me this year then!!!
Watchout though, I had one of those last September. :burnout:
Now look at me :eek:

[Duane]

All this thread proves is there is a complete two way split on this forum now, i Have to forget the Oval because it is in the past, im looking towards the future, we have to build the numbers to then make the argument to go back to the Oval, so thats what i am concentrating on, there are 7 cars confirmed for Lydden already along with 9 of the VSR class's so its improving.

We need Championship status back for 2009 only car numbers will do that.
so you have one side of the split who understands that and support us in our efforts.

the other side seem reluctant to even see the other side of the fence, im not saying the grass is greener but it may be just as nice if you give it a look.

lets keep it together guy's, its not our fault we are not at the oval, numbers would of probrobly stayed in the teens or higher if pit stops were not lost, then laps and garages along with the last insult of the national anthem being taken away from us and being told we was not allowed to look any better than the pick ups !!!

which is then another side to the forum, the pick up guy's are looking at this and laughing their heads off.

and i like rushden and dimonds as well.

Duane

[Chigley]

He! He! well maybe you should grab a 2 seater V8 ride with me this year then!

I'm coming out of lurking mode with great indignation then retiring again! :(

I've pleaded for years to get a two seater ride so that as the starter I can get an idea of what the drivers can see and when! Dunc you offered to take me round but only as a paying customer! Sorry I feel totally let down and now when the brown stuff is swirling round the fan two seater rides are offered.

Nuff said, back to lurking :mad:

[acorn]

... its not our fault we are not at the oval, numbers would of probrobly stayed in the teens or higher if pit stops were not lost, then laps and garages along with the last insult of the national anthem being taken away from us and being told we was not allowed to look any better than the pick ups !!!

Duane

chicken and egg i guess.

"numbers would of probrobly stayed in the teens or higher"

but they didn't unfortunately which lead to the subsequent drop in status and priviliges so it's difficult to understand how you can say "it's not our fault ". it may not be the fault of those who stuck with it to the (hopefully not terminal) end but there's no two ways about it, the downward slide in grid numbers did it for you eventually.

[PitMarshal]

im not saying we are not going to try and go back to the oval, just its in the past now and as such we need to work on what we have.

it will never be a totally oval series again, the oval rounds will always be outnumberd by the road course rounds......unless someone builds more ovals !!!!

i was a fan of the oval and believed thats where we should be, my mind has been changed, give it a chance, dont knock it till you've tried it !!!!

Change or die, it seems to some on here its Oval or dead.

Duane

Perhaps I should have expanded on the first part of my post.

I'm not trying to restart the oval or road-course debate, partly because it's already been done to death, and partly because for me it's an easy decision. Like 'The Pits' I was drawn to Rockingham by the opportunity to see American style racing. I have neither the inclination or the money to traipse around the country to watch two or three V8's. Make it twenty or thirty and you still won't find me there.

What I was trying to draw attention to was the logic in still allowing the PUT's to race on the oval, but not the V8's, cos' as far as I can't see there isn't any.

[JovialJooles]

I am a fan of big Oval racing. Rockingham is a big Oval. I am a fan of racing at Rockingham.




Duncan, we have done this to death. I am loosing the will to live! :s nore:


He! He! well maybe you should grab a 2 seater V8 ride with me this year then!!!

Thanks for the offer Duncan. :)

I've done the Richard Petty 2 seater and I have driven their NASCAR around The Rock.

Perhaps I should drive you round The Rock in the 2 seater - now I guarantee, that would be exciting! :D It just depends on how you define exciting... :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

[JovialJooles]

I've just re-read my post from last night and realise that I have committed the cardinal sin. Posting whilst tired and grumpy. :(

My views on Rockingham and the Oval still remain; but I think I was unfair and a little harsh toward the V8 boys.

I am sorry for sounding so negative last night.

Having read PitMarshal's post, when I read the "Make it twenty or thirty" I must admit I was thinking, that would be great fun to see. So I suppose I am not such a lost cause after all :D .

Although my heart is with the big Oval, I sincerely wish all the V8 fraternity all the luck in the world and hope that they can get the numbers up and return to the Rock. You never know, if the numbers increase, I may just be seen at one of the road course meetings. :eek:

[jeffmr2]

Its Good to read that so many of you fan's want the V8's back at the Rock!

Have you ever thought? ...if Rockingham see that the fans are following the V8's around the circuits and are leaving Rock stands empty! maybe the actions would speak louder than words!

Team Networking would be more than happy to invite the Forum Fans to join us at 1 or all of the tracks for some paddock hospitality! We will miss you as much as it seems that you will miss us! Maybe we could have Paul's V8 as a Fans Forum Car? just an idea...

I think these are bloody great ideas,i'll def come along and say hello at Pembrey and maybe one other event if there are loads of other forum fans going as well.

I've found this thread quite interesting but i must be very dim,i still dont know why the ascars are not at rockingham.Did rockingham not want them or did whoever is in charge of ascars decide not to go there this year?

[Duane]

Acorn.....it was the other way around, i can gaurantee that, the drop in privlages caused the drop in numbers, there were other demands made on the series even before the 2006 season started which never helped anyway and subsequently caused west-tec and tspeed to leave.

like i said its all history now, it is what it is, move forward

and no i never decided to not go to the oval this year, in fact i spent too much of autumn and early winter trying too and all the time others knew it wasnt going to happen.

im done on this one now, i have the future to work on.

Duane

[ready2rock]

I, like others, have been there (@ Rock) since the beginning. I was in the stands at the inaugral meeting, saw the first Ascar race, came to the Champcar races, and have tried to come every year since.
I loved watching grids of 20 V8s hurtling into T1, and still being side by side laps later.
At the same time, i started to appreciate the pick-ups as a great oval race too. The perfect weekend was there for me, i never stayed for the music.
I stopped coming to watch the V8s in 2005/2006, not by choice, but by the fatc that as they moved to BRSCC my commitments became more demanding at other meetings.
I've never lost the 'passion' to see the V8s, im only young, and cant manage to get to meetings on my own, dont have money for a car for starters.
Given half a chance i would still come and watch V8s for what they are.
I can imagine how fun they are to drive on road courses, and having a full field of them would be great to see.
I always check on the forum, see whats going on, and from what i see the organisers have done a great job with the series.
If the pick-ups can run road and ovals, so can the V8s right?
Sure, i doubt my opinion means much to most/any of you on here :)
I hope to come and watch V8s again v. soon.
To all those negative posters...nah i won't bother, but i cant help but feel positive about the future for the V8s.
Good Luck guys!!

[racing59]

Duane's done with this, and here's my parting shot.

There were combined forces that kept the V8's out of the frame this season, but I will concur with a couple of comments.

When I "signed up" for the series at the close of 2006, I signed up for two races, one 50 lapper with a pitstop, and one 25-30 lapper without. With garages, with marketing of the meetings, the whole show.

What I got, 2 x 35 lap races, no garages, and zero marketing full stop.

I carried on because I believed it could get better. It was a series going through detox following an addiction to cash.

It did get better, there were people who wanted to join it, and by the end of 2007, there were quite a lot of people wanting to be part of a new dawn.

They would have been in sooner, but the lack of rookie tests, as usual, kept them out. Now who's fault is that?
Partly theirs - not being available when the training could be organised, partly the "organisations" not having dates available to carry out rookie training, or being willing to make it happen.

The teams are not responsible - the PuT or the V8 teams are in it for the sport, for the show. The fans are not responsible.

To my mind, a total lack of marketing of both the venue and the events are responsible for the downturn.

If the circuit want to become "just another clubbie venue", then they've gone the right way about it by farming everything out to clubs like the BRSCC who put on meetings for their members - the competitors. Not the public, no one else.

I keep saying it, the council, the East Midlands Development Agency, all want to see the place full. And running it as a clubbie venue isn't going to achieve it.

Members of the Jury. You've heard the evidence, the inuendo, and ended up hearing how it could all end up. But, regardless of who's stabbed who in the back, or pushed their product better than somebody else, the bottom line is that without marketing, with out a product to market, the stands will remain empty. The venue will be wasted for most of it's race-day time.

I would move that the Coroner's verdict be Misadventure.

[Yung]

Why don't you all try this..... "Why do hot dogs comes in packages of 10 while hot dog buns comes in packages of just 8?"

"When you attain a state of enlightment that allows you to answer" this question........you ALL will be happy and there won't be anymore "arguments".

I'm sick and tired of reading negative posts........ everyone should think positive!

[Abo]

Why don't you all try this..... "Why do hot dogs comes in packages of 10 while hot dog buns comes in packages of just 8?"


Ah but those jumbo hotdogs come in packs of 6 which just makes things worse...

[R3ROK]

Ah but those jumbo hotdogs come in packs of 6 which just makes things worse...

Just Onions and Ketchup in the last 2 :)

[The Pits!]

I'm sick and tired of reading negative posts........ everyone should think positive!

OK - I'm Positive that Ascar/SCSA is not at their Rock Home this year - I'm also Positive that they will be back in 2009.



I hope :)

[Yung]

Got the quote from America. lol So its 10.