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FIA
12th April 2008, 16:24
Does anyone have a list of Formula One Teams that built a car, but never raced? I don't mean teams or groups that were planning to enter F1, I mean teams that built an F1 car, but it never raced for whatever reason.

wedge
12th April 2008, 17:33
http://www.forix.com/8w/6thgear/neverraced.html

FIA
12th April 2008, 17:42
http://www.forix.com/8w/6thgear/neverraced.html

Thanks, I have used this website before for this subject, other than it dosen't say if they built and tested the car or not, or if it was just a group saying they wish to enter F1 (which can be said for a few groups).

philipbain
12th April 2008, 20:50
An interesting car that never raced was the 1989 car built by the First F3000 team to graduate to F1, they decided against it and the car was taken over a year later by the Italian Life team, but instead of using the Judd engine that the chassis was intended for they used a rather unique (in F1 circles anyway) W12 derived from 2x 1.5 litre V6's with the overall capacity enlarged to meet the 3.5 litre formula. An interesting concept, unfortunately it was pathetically slow and never got close to pre-qualifying, hence the same F1 car that was never raced by 2 separate teams!!!

teamsuperimu
12th April 2008, 21:47
An interesting car that never raced was the 1989 car built by the First F3000 team to graduate to F1, they decided against it and the car was taken over a year later by the Italian Life team, but instead of using the Judd engine that the chassis was intended for they used a rather unique (in F1 circles anyway) W12 derived from 2x 1.5 litre V6's with the overall capacity enlarged to meet the 3.5 litre formula. An interesting concept, unfortunately it was pathetically slow and never got close to pre-qualifying, hence the same F1 car that was never raced by 2 separate teams!!!


Here's more Life's woeful attempt at F1:

http://www.f1rejects.com/teams/life/profile.html

wedge
12th April 2008, 23:21
Thanks, I have used this website before for this subject, other than it dosen't say if they built and tested the car or not, or if it was just a group saying they wish to enter F1 (which can be said for a few groups).

Errr, it does mention whether they tested or not, unless you're after something more specific?

jso1985
13th April 2008, 00:53
The Lola MasterCard team never really raced, the furthest they got was to DNQ on the 97 Australian Grand Prix

woody2goody
13th April 2008, 02:17
Yeah they weren't quite as bad as this Life team though. You'd think that even with running a F3000 car they would be able to put something together that worked. What's more amazing is that they almost did a whole season of 'racing' before they pulled out.

I'm interested to know whether or not the slow times were due to problems with the car, or whether they really were going as fast as they could. I doubt it.

The Lola team at least had decent drivers. Sospiri and Badoer if I'm right?

FIA
13th April 2008, 11:58
The Lola team at least had decent drivers. Sospiri and Badoer if I'm right?

Ricardo Rosset, noy Badoer.

wedge
17th April 2008, 15:46
McLaren-Lamborghini

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/special-the-mclambo-that-never-was/

BDunnell
17th April 2008, 18:04
The Lola MasterCard team never really raced, the furthest they got was to DNQ on the 97 Australian Grand Prix

Ah, but they did take part in the race meeting, so can definitely be said to have competed in F1.

Honda's aborted effort in the late 1990s, tested, if I remember rightly, by Jos Verstappen, must surely be mentioned in this context.

Osella
19th April 2008, 12:51
DAMS and Reynard. They built the cars, tested them and intended to race but never got the budgets together.
There is a whole book on the subject (called Unraced-look it up on Amazon), which is a reasonable price and covers the late 80's/90's cars which were built and never raced (such as the Honda RA099 and the early 90's Honda prototypes tested at Suzuka), and the design sheet-only cars.

wedge
28th August 2008, 15:14
Dome F105

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/f1/268229/f1-s-lost-cars-dome-f105.html

Vitesse
29th August 2008, 23:20
A couple from the Fifties: Sacha Gordine, who built a sweet-looking car which looked a bit like the later sharknose Ferrari, but ran out of money; and Kieft, who abandoned their GP project when Coventry Climax pulled the plug on the Godiva engine. It was over 50 years before the Kieft chassis was completed ....

D-Type
30th August 2008, 13:09
Also from the fifties or sixties is the Walker-Climax. Rob Walker was running Coopers in 1959 - Climax and BRM powered. In 1960 he started with a Cooper and then acquired a Lotus 18. In parallel with this Alf Francis and Valerio Colotti designed a car with a 2.5 Climax in 1960 and went on to start a lighter version for 1961 with a 1.5 litre climax (FPF). The first car was completed and tested but the second was never completed. Neither was raced as Stirling Moss was happy with the Lotus.

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futuretiger9
25th September 2008, 22:20
An interesting car that never raced was the 1989 car built by the First F3000 team to graduate to F1, they decided against it and the car was taken over a year later by the Italian Life team, but instead of using the Judd engine that the chassis was intended for they used a rather unique (in F1 circles anyway) W12 derived from 2x 1.5 litre V6's with the overall capacity enlarged to meet the 3.5 litre formula. An interesting concept, unfortunately it was pathetically slow and never got close to pre-qualifying, hence the same F1 car that was never raced by 2 separate teams!!!

I remember that just before the start of the 1989 season, the preview magazines actually listed the First team as one of the entries, with Gabriele Tarquini and, I seem to recall, Julian Bailey down to be the drivers. Tarquini eventually found a seat with AGS, after Streiff's accident in testing in Rio.

ArrowsFA1
26th September 2008, 08:45
Honda's aborted effort in the late 1990s, tested, if I remember rightly, by Jos Verstappen, must surely be mentioned in this context.
I never really understood why Honda didn't develop that test car into a race team. IIRC it was setting very impressive times, and looking a very competitive proposition and yet...

Am I right in thinking Harvey Postlethwaite led the project, and his untimely death effectively ended the project?

futuretiger9
26th September 2008, 23:55
I never really understood why Honda didn't develop that test car into a race team. IIRC it was setting very impressive times, and looking a very competitive proposition and yet...

Am I right in thinking Harvey Postlethwaite led the project, and his untimely death effectively ended the project?

Yes, I think that was the case. The project was more or less wound up after Harvey's death.

Kaps
21st December 2008, 17:58
Indeed, it was after Harvey's death, and beacuse of it, that the whole thing crumbled.