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Dilek
16th March 2008, 10:16
Rally program
http://www.istanbulrally.org/ri_potr.asp

Itenary
http://www.istanbulrally.org/image/IRC-ERCv9-13032008.pdf

Day 1 Map
http://www.istanbulrally.org/images/maps_plan/Harita_Leg_1_2008_k.jpg

Day 2 Map
http://www.istanbulrally.org/images/maps_plan/Harita_Leg_2_2008_k.jpg

Tom206wrc
16th March 2008, 18:31
Let's hope for a big entry of S2000s but also GrNs and 2WDs :bounce:

efe-e
16th March 2008, 21:28
Let's talk about IRC/ERC's first round , Istanbul.

Who are planning to come??

urabus-denoS2000
16th March 2008, 21:49
Probably all of the top IRC drivers will be there.
From ERC Solowow will be there ,Isik (obviously) ,Fontana is trying to work out Turkey

Mirek
16th March 2008, 21:50
From what I heard Kopecky will be there with 207.

Jordib
16th March 2008, 21:59
According to the spanish magazine Scratch, Dani Solą will be there in a Fiat Grande Punto S2000, and also in Portugal, Ypres and Rusia for now.

Link: http://www.revistascratch.com/

urabus-denoS2000
16th March 2008, 21:59
]From what I heard Kopecky will be there with 207.

Great news!!!

efe-e
16th March 2008, 22:05
that sounds good. It's very nice to see Kopecky at Turkey with a Super2000.

PLuto
16th March 2008, 22:37
About Solį, we have been writing about it two weeks ago (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=6134) and I have written it also on this forum.

Jan Kopecky will start in Istanbul with Peugeot 207 S2000.

Mirek
17th March 2008, 00:39
Pluto, do You think that mentioning articles in Czech is useful for users of this forum? :rolleyes: :mad:

PLuto
17th March 2008, 08:34
To Mirek: Yes - the same as articles in polish, spanish, german, french, dutch...

Tom206wrc
17th March 2008, 10:57
To Mirek: Yes - the same as articles in polish, spanish, german, french, dutch...



In english only would be already very fine !! :p :

HaCo
17th March 2008, 17:31
It would usefull if you would put a very short resume in eglish in the bottom of the article... :)

PLuto
17th March 2008, 19:41
It would usefull if you would put a very short resume in eglish in the bottom of the article... :)

Krum Donchev will start in Istanbul Rally. More here: http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=6186



P.S. HaCo and Mirek, are you satisfied?

HaCo
17th March 2008, 20:05
P.S. HaCo and Mirek, are you satisfied?

LOL Pluto... I'm not, why doesn't he come to Ypres? :)

Seriously, I think some rallysites are visited a lot by international users and a very short summarary in english would help a lot of wrong interpreted rumours out of the world. On the other hand, I don't want to be to demanding, it's awesome sites like yours exists, keep up the good work.

Jordib
17th March 2008, 21:19
About Solį, we have been writing about it two weeks ago (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=6134) and I have written it also on this forum.

Jan Kopecky will start in Istanbul with Peugeot 207 S2000.


Yes, I remember what you said about Solą, but now it is confirmed by himself. His car will be run by italian team Procar.

PLuto
17th March 2008, 21:22
Yes, I remember what you said about Solą, but now it is confirmed by himself. His car will be run by italian team Procar.

I have that info confirmed by him, thats why I have written that article...

efe-e
18th March 2008, 11:35
Jas Motorsport made 20 Civic Type-R , How many of them will be at Turkey?

Tom206wrc
18th March 2008, 12:58
I hope Gilles Panizzi will also run this event in an S2000 :)

Dilek
18th March 2008, 13:16
Tom206wrc

this info is comfirmed????S2000 Fiat or Peugeot 207

efe-e
18th March 2008, 13:18
I hope Gilles Panizzi will also run this event in an S2000 :)
Is it true? or is it a dream? Panizzi... :eek:

wwbroe
18th March 2008, 13:59
Does anybody know the closing date for entries for Turkey? Let' hope Panizzi will be there ;) !

Dilek
18th March 2008, 14:08
Closing date for entries 21 March 2008 -18:00

J4MIE
18th March 2008, 15:54
Hoping for a good event to start IRC 2008 :up:

Tom206wrc
18th March 2008, 17:00
Is it true? or is it a dream? Panizzi... :eek:



Someone who knows the Panizzi brothers told me they plan a full IRC championship this year with an S2000(60% chance for a 207/40% chance for a Grande Punto)... ;)

atsiotras79
18th March 2008, 21:38
From ERC Solowow will be there ,Isik (obviously) ,Fontana is trying to work out Turkey

Isik decided to follow ERC again?

urabus-denoS2000
18th March 2008, 22:11
Isik decided to follow ERC again?

Yes

atsiotras79
19th March 2008, 07:13
Yes

Super news! Thanks urabus-denoS2000

efe-e
20th March 2008, 17:18
guys , entries will be close tomorrow at 6 pm ;)

Tom206wrc
20th March 2008, 18:50
guys , entries will be close tomorrow at 6 pm ;)



Yes but publication of the entrylist on next wednesday only :mark:

Mirek
20th March 2008, 22:47
Funny testing video of Jan Kopeckż here. Gravel roads were under the snow so that he made his first "gravel" test on tarmac in heavy snowing. Of course eqipped with gravel tyres. Enjoy :D
http://www.rallyvidea.com/?ref=1&id=8&video=2008/test207S2000vft.avi

Tom206wrc
20th March 2008, 23:04
Fantastic for the eyes of spectators , but AWFUL if he wants to make a good time :D

uncoversport
21st March 2008, 00:44
]Funny testing video of Jan Kopeckż here. Gravel roads were under the snow so that he made his first "gravel" test on tarmac in heavy snowing. Of course eqipped with gravel tyres. Enjoy :D
http://www.rallyvidea.com/?ref=1&id=8&video=2008/test207S2000vft.avi

There's a small story and some photos of the test here too:
http://www.serviceparknews.com/?c=127&a=1196

I can't speak for anyone else, but damn I'm looking forward to this year's IRC!

pino
21st March 2008, 19:49
Abarth will enter 3 cars for Alen, Basso and Travaglia :D

RS
21st March 2008, 21:50
Abarth will enter 3 cars for Alen, Basso and Travaglia :D

That's great news! Is there some reason behind this other than to help with the manufacturer points? Ie. is Travaglia likely to get a bigger IRC campaign too?

pino
22nd March 2008, 08:48
That's great news! Is there some reason behind this other than to help with the manufacturer points? Ie. is Travaglia likely to get a bigger IRC campaign too?

Sorry I don't know the reasons, but it would be great to see him in all IRC events on 3rd Abarth :up:

HaCo
22nd March 2008, 10:00
I'm looking forward to this rally. Is there anybody who dares to make any predictions?!? :D :D
My http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif goes to Fast Freddy!!! :D :D

atsiotras79
22nd March 2008, 12:26
That's great news! Is there some reason behind this other than to help with the manufacturer points? Ie. is Travaglia likely to get a bigger IRC campaign too?

Maybe ERC campaign?

CricketsFilm
22nd March 2008, 15:46
Travaglia will must drive with Fiat Punto "Grifone"

Dilek
24th March 2008, 17:53
Gilles Panizzi will drive in İstanbulrally with Fiat Grande Punto S2000 :) :)

Mirek
24th March 2008, 18:04
Wau, is it confirmed?

efe-e
24th March 2008, 18:10
Panizzi :bounce: :bounce: :hot: :hot: :roll:

wwbroe
24th March 2008, 18:55
Great news, awesome to see him at the start in Istanbul :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

efe-e
24th March 2008, 23:33
Great news, awesome to see him at the start in Istanbul :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

we wanna see you all at Istanbul. We want more spectators :p ::p :

PLuto
26th March 2008, 11:44
So, 13 S2000 cars on entry list for Istanbul Rally. 5x Peugeot, 8x Fiat

Youpiyoup
26th March 2008, 12:01
Just a post to send us a link to the lasts tests of freddy loix ...

http://latourette.no-ip.org/index.php?option=com_expose&Itemid=41&album=53

So poor weather isnt'it ? It doesn't seems to Turkish Rally i'm ok :)

PLuto
26th March 2008, 12:13
According to http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=6238

Fiat:
Basso
Alen
Travaglia
Isik
Solowow
Sola (Procar)
Panizzi (Automeca)
Arnau Augoyard (Automeca)

Peugeot:
Loix
Vouilloz
Tirabassi
Kopeckż
Rossetti

wwbroe
26th March 2008, 12:24
Just a post to send us a link to the lasts tests of freddy loix ...

http://latourette.no-ip.org/index.php?option=com_expose&Itemid=41&album=53

So poor weather isnt'it ? It doesn't seems to Turkish Rally i'm ok :)

Yeah, the weather wasn't really represntive for Turkey I guess, and the second day of testing was even cancelled because there was to much snow, so not really the best possible preparation for Rally Istanbul. You can also find a little video of the test on:

http://www.freddyloix.com

efe-e
26th March 2008, 12:36
the weather at istanbul is very nice today. it's sunny and a lil bit windy.

i think that it will continue at race week

urabus-denoS2000
26th March 2008, 13:27
Great to see Panizzi back!
But why with an Punto S2000 (not that I have anything against it , I would rather see him in an Punto than an 207)?

PLuto
26th March 2008, 13:58
Because he has better offer from Fiat? :)

PuddleJumper
26th March 2008, 14:23
Anyone know what time today the entry list is due to be published?

Mirek
26th March 2008, 16:49
In some 12 minutes according to Pluto ;)

Mirek
26th March 2008, 18:46
It's here: http://www.istanbulrally.org/image/ISTANBULRALLY-08-entrylist-3.pdf

wwbroe
26th March 2008, 19:03
So no real surprices, allthouhg I didn't expect Rosetti to be there. Also Manifrato is a little bit of a surprice to me (will he be doing the whole championship?). We can expect a nice fight for victory, let's hope some more manufacturers will come into the IRC championship, so that it will not always be a fight between Punto en 207. :p

HaCo
26th March 2008, 19:05
Where are the Honda's?

CricketsFilm
26th March 2008, 19:39
I have called Manfrinato, he drives in all ERC 2008

Mirek
26th March 2008, 19:45
Great, Cricket! :)

Madeira
26th March 2008, 21:40
And Luca Betti will be there. Does anyone know which are his plans for this season?

zehirsiz
26th March 2008, 22:34
from this link you can follow the weather forecast for Istanbul :)

http://www.meteoroloji.gov.tr/2006/english/eng-cities.aspx?secimNo=40

Anyone is coming to Istanbul? We'd like to meet at the ceremonical start :)

PuddleJumper
26th March 2008, 22:40
]It's here: http://www.istanbulrally.org/image/ISTANBULRALLY-08-entrylist-3.pdf
Thank you!

Madeira
26th March 2008, 22:41
I have called Manfrinato, he drives in all ERC 2008

Thank's Crickets
And which car he will use in the rest of the championship, the EVO IX like in Istanbul rally or this is only an option for the gravel surface?

Rallye_106
26th March 2008, 22:43
2 cricket: Can you tell us more about Manfrinato, what can be expected from him?

Tom206wrc
27th March 2008, 00:44
Gilles Panizzi will drive in İstanbulrally with Fiat Grande Punto S2000 :) :)



I'm gutted Peugeot let him down :mad: ;(

efe-e
27th March 2008, 12:16
Who will come to Istanbul ? We gonna very happy for meeting with you

urabus-denoS2000
28th March 2008, 09:46
2 cricket: Can you tell us more about Manfrinato, what can be expected from him?


Not much,from what I saw I think hes a gentleman driver.But I may be wrong.

CricketsFilm
28th March 2008, 18:04
I don't not if he drives with another cars in other races...
...but this driver is very fast!!!

wwbroe
28th March 2008, 18:19
I don't not if he drives with another cars in other races...
...but this driver is very fast!!!


Yes he used to be very fast in Italian Championship and also San Remo Rally. Outside of Italy he was still fast but not at the very top. ;)

arnaudov
28th March 2008, 18:20
Krum Donchev/Stoyko Valchev - Subaru Impreza TMR08 - Test before Istanbul Rally.
Video - http://www.shakedown-bg.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=26

HaCo
28th March 2008, 19:01
Krum Donchev/Stoyko Valchev - Subaru Impreza TMR08 - Test before Istanbul Rally.
Video - http://www.shakedown-bg.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=26

VERY nice car! :D

Tom206wrc
29th March 2008, 10:16
Oh no !!! Automeca-Sport retires Panizzi and Augoyard from the entrylist :( :(

Madeira
29th March 2008, 11:03
Panizzi will start IRC campaign in Portugal.

efe-e
29th March 2008, 16:00
Panizzi :(

we want to see him at Turkey :(

HaCo
29th March 2008, 16:08
Oh no !!! Automeca-Sport retires Panizzi and Augoyard from the entrylist :( :(
Where did you read this, is there more info on why?

c4
29th March 2008, 22:03
The story of Panizzi and Automeca pulling out of Istanbulrally
http://www.rally-live.com/wrc/en/headlines/news/detail/080329151121.shtml

LC54WRC
30th March 2008, 22:57
Geographical characteristics of Istanbul Rally is very similar to Finland Stages: fast and lots of bumps.
I think the most interesting stage is SS10 Ballica B-1. Some part of this stage was used in a National Rally named Pirelli in 2005.
The bump at the approximately 6 km away from the starting point of this stage is very dangerous. At that point 3 cars ran out of road after the bump.

, now there is a natural barrier to reduce the speed. Here are the pictures of that bump:

http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/S5001288_4.jpg

http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/S5001287_1.jpg

Tom206wrc
31st March 2008, 09:48
So maybe advantage to Anton Alen, like in Rally Russia ??? ;)

RS
31st March 2008, 10:30
So maybe advantage to Anton Alen, like in Rally Russia ??? ;)

Alen was quick in Turkey last year too. I really enjoyed this rally last year, nice roads and scenery so looking forward to more of the same this year - except with more cars this time round :)

Tom206wrc
31st March 2008, 20:26
You should remove Panizzi and Augoyard from the pickem entrylist, as we all know now they won't be there :mark:

J4MIE
31st March 2008, 21:09
Even trying to slow them down...that still looks an impressive jump! :eek:

LC54WRC
31st March 2008, 21:55
Geographical characteristics of Istanbul Rally is very similar to Finland Stages: fast and lots of bumps.
I think the most interesting stage is SS10 Ballica B-1. Some part of this stage was used in a National Rally named Pirelli in 2005.
The bump at the approximately 6 km away from the starting point of this stage is very dangerous. At that point 3 cars ran out of road after the bump.

, now there is a natural barrier to reduce the speed. Here are the pictures of that bump:

http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/S5001288_4.jpg

http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/S5001287_1.jpg


One of the crash at the mythical bump of Istanbul Rally can be seen from the following link:


before the bump:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5cU4XR5u1A

after the bump:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRcKsuamjsg

Tom206wrc
1st April 2008, 14:59
PuddleJumper why don't you remove Panizzi and Augoyard from the pickem entrylist ??? :confused:

Madeira
2nd April 2008, 13:23
Eurosport tv-times for the week-end:

http://www.ircseries.com/html/Tv_times.asp

Mirek
2nd April 2008, 19:22
First photos from Turkey... Jan Kopeckż's Pug:
http://www.rally-mania.cz/med.php?g=360&au=0

PLuto
4th April 2008, 02:41
First pictures from Turkey: http://www.rally-erc.com

pettersolberg29
4th April 2008, 11:36
I have been following WRC for about 8 years now, but as it gets worse and worse, I decided to wander over to the IRC forum and se what's going on.

If someone could post a link, or write somethig here to teach me about this years IRC, the drivers, teams and the cars, I would appreciate it.

I've heard there are some familiar facs from WRC in the IRC, like Kopecky, Sola and Panizzi - are they any good? Kopecky used to be one of my favourite drivers.

Any help appreciated.

RS
4th April 2008, 13:41
I have been following WRC for about 8 years now, but as it gets worse and worse, I decided to wander over to the IRC forum and se what's going on.

If someone could post a link, or write somethig here to teach me about this years IRC, the drivers, teams and the cars, I would appreciate it.

I've heard there are some familiar facs from WRC in the IRC, like Kopecky, Sola and Panizzi - are they any good? Kopecky used to be one of my favourite drivers.

Any help appreciated.

Do you have Eurosport? If you do, make sure you watch this weekend!

The competition should be very close and the cars handle more like rally cars should handle, on gravel at least.

Raven
4th April 2008, 13:55
pettersolberg29, check http://www.ircseries.com :)

Madeira
4th April 2008, 15:13
The shakedown results are available here:

http://www.istanbulrally.org/image/SHAKEDOWN_2008.pdf

Edit: or here http://www.rally-erc.com/article.php?cont=110

Mirek
4th April 2008, 15:14
Shakedown photos:
http://rally-mania.cz/index.php?vypisVse=detail&id=4888

wwbroe
4th April 2008, 15:25
The shakedown results are available here:

http://www.istanbulrally.org/image/SHAKEDOWN_2008.pdf

What about the time's of Basso and Alen, didn't they do any shake-down? Also it is a remarkable time of Kopecky (if it is right), because he is about three seconds faster than Vouilloz :confused: :confused: :confused:

PLuto
4th April 2008, 15:31
Shakedown times here: http://www.rally-erc.com/article.php?cont=110

Basso and Alen was missing on shakedown.

kabouter
4th April 2008, 15:39
What about the time's of Basso and Alen, didn't they do any shake-down? Also it is a remarkable time of Kopecky (if it is right), because he is about three seconds faster than Vouilloz :confused: :confused: :confused:

Hard to believe that time of Kopecky, especially as it was his on his first run. It looks more like a timing error.

Anyway, here are the fastest shakedown times in order of fastest time:
Jan Kopecky (Peugeot) 1.01,6 (or 1.05,1)
Brice Tirabassi (Peugeot) 1.04,3
Freddy Loix (Peugeot ) 1.04,4
Nicolas Vouilloz (Peugeot) 1.04,8
Luca Rossetti (Peugeot) 1.05,0
Dani Solą (Fiat) 1.05,2
Renato Travaglia (Fiat) 1.05,5
Serkan Yazici (Mitsubishi) 1.06,1
Giovanni Manfrinato (Mitsubishi) 1.06,7
Michal Solowow (Fiat) 1.07,0
Mehmet Besler (Subaru) 1.07,2
Krum Donchev (Subaru) 1.07,9
Luca Betti (Mitsubishi) 1.07,9

Edit: I could have saved myself the typing, as PLuto has just posted the link that lists the best times as well :s

wwbroe
4th April 2008, 15:49
The time set by Kopecky on first run is indeed hard to believe, especially when his others times weren't that good, so can anybody comfirm his time? Why wasn't Basso and Alen on shake-down?

jparker
4th April 2008, 15:51
Shakedown times here: http://www.rally-erc.com/article.php?cont=110

Basso and Alen was missing on shakedown.

Does that mean they will not start the rally, or Shakedown is optional?

[Madeira-Rally]
4th April 2008, 15:55
Does that mean they will not start the rally, or Shakedown is optional?

I think that mean a background play by Abarth...

shakedown is mandatory for FIA A and B drivers. and for priority drivers.. so.. Basso and Allen should did the shakedown...

Mirek
4th April 2008, 16:02
I think that the time is simply wrong and there should be 1:10,6 in first run...

Sulland
4th April 2008, 16:02
Isik did not do the SD either then ?

Mirek
4th April 2008, 16:11
I think he was with Abarth guys...

Kopeckż said for rally-mania.cz that his best time was 1:05,1.

pettersolberg29
4th April 2008, 17:28
Who's this in the Subaru?
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn158/pettersolberg29/N2s_47f616ab980a5.jpg

Thanks for the info guys - looks like I'll be supporting Kopecky this year - a shame his 1,01,6 was a timing error!

PLuto
4th April 2008, 17:30
Who's this in the Subaru?
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn158/pettersolberg29/N2s_47f616ab980a5.jpg

Thanks for the info guys - looks like I'll be supporting Kopecky this year - a shame his 1,01,6 was a timing error!

Krum Donchev

pettersolberg29
4th April 2008, 17:36
Krum Donchev - I didn't see that name on the Entry List?

Thanks anyway - nice car ;)

pettersolberg29
4th April 2008, 17:38
Oh yeah - 12th in Shakedown

Mirek
4th April 2008, 17:46
Donchev is not a gravel runner ;)

Wim_Impreza
4th April 2008, 17:49
What a pity that the time from Jan was a time error. :(

Hopefully he can drive a rally without technical problems. Good luck to him.

pettersolberg29
4th April 2008, 17:55
Who is expected to win?

Vouilloz? Kopecky? Sola?

Mirek
4th April 2008, 18:02
I expect Vouilloz or Alen.

pettersolberg29
4th April 2008, 18:04
Is this the same Vouilloz who drove a Pug 307 at Monte Carlo? He looked alright there didn't he?

Mirek
4th April 2008, 18:08
It is him. He is ten times mountain bike world champion, French national rally champion and IRC vice-champion last year (three wins I think). He was also 4th in rally Catalunya 2006 with a Whale.

Mirek
4th April 2008, 18:32
Gallery in hi-res:
http://www.rally-mania.cz/med.php?g=361&au=0

Wim_Impreza
4th April 2008, 18:33
]He was also 4th in rally Catalunya 2006 with a Whale.

No, that was Alexandre Bengué. ;)

Vouilloz drove a private 206 WRC earlier in the WRC.

Mirek
4th April 2008, 18:39
Ajajaj, there's big mess in my head. I need to lower the pressure tonight :D

RS
4th April 2008, 20:08
]It is him. He is ten times mountain bike world champion, French national rally champion and IRC vice-champion last year (three wins I think). He was also 4th in rally Catalunya 2006 with a Whale.

Don't forget Nicolas also drove the Fabia of First Motorsport: http://www.rallye-info.com/driverprofile.asp?driver=1288

LC54WRC
4th April 2008, 21:11
photos from start:

http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/S5001299x.jpg

http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/S5001300x.jpg

N.O.T
4th April 2008, 21:16
I think the dark horse is sola here...i think he could fight for the win.

pejda
4th April 2008, 22:19
Some pictures from the shakedown are also here: http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=378&fotograf=2&all=1

dimviii
4th April 2008, 22:54
so top 5 cars are peugeots :D

my vote to Kopecky

Mirek
5th April 2008, 00:06
dimviii: It is quite normal when 3 good Abarth were not on shakedown (Alen, Basso, Isik) ;)

J4MIE
5th April 2008, 00:28
Well I hope it's a good start to the IRC for 2008, I will be away tomorrow but will follow the results on Sunday! :bounce:

PLuto
5th April 2008, 01:39
Some news and photos: http://www.rally-erc.com
ON LINE results: http://mmcr.vysledky-rally.cz/rallysport/2008/erc/turkey

jparker
5th April 2008, 02:26
Isik did not do the SD either then ?


Giandomenico Basso, whose Abarth team did not take part in the shakedown as they had already tested previously, commented at the press conference
I guess same applies for Alen and Isik

N.O.T
5th April 2008, 09:08
Vuilloz takes the 1st special stage of the event....Alen quite slow 15 seconds behind and in 11th place.....the first 9 crews separated by just 10 seconds...good start !!!

N.O.T
5th April 2008, 09:23
Problems for isik !!! lost 3 mins on stage 2.....

atsiotras79
5th April 2008, 09:37
Alen woke up! Great! Super Rossetti on the 2nd stage!

N.O.T
5th April 2008, 09:43
Rossetti takes the lead by 1.5 from vouilloz....after stage 2... Tirabassi going very strong !!!! 3rd overall.

PLuto
5th April 2008, 09:51
Problems for isik !!! lost 3 mins on stage 2.....

On SS 3 his time is OK, so it looks puncture.

PLuto
5th April 2008, 09:58
10:15, LIVE coverage on Eurosport: http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=1929371&ch=2417736&src=ukeurosport

dimviii
5th April 2008, 10:00
thanks Pluto!!

Tom206wrc
5th April 2008, 10:00
No more results for SS3 ??? Wher's Loix ??? :confused:

GuClo
5th April 2008, 10:02
What happened with Loix ?

dimviii
5th April 2008, 10:08
4 minutes lost for Loix!

N.O.T
5th April 2008, 10:33
Every time i see the gravel rally of instabul i wonder why they dodn;t use these roads for the WRC !!!! they are great !!!

Sulland
5th April 2008, 10:34
Are there driver comments or intervues posted anywhere ?

Mirek
5th April 2008, 10:51
N.O.T: Probably because WRC roads are not near Istanbul :D

So far it looks like nice battle :) Pitty of Isik and Loix but the rally is long.

N.O.T
5th April 2008, 10:55
]N.O.T: Probably because WRC roads are not near Istanbul :D

So far it looks like nice battle :) Pitty of Isik and Loix but the rally is long.

i know but since its called the rally of turkey they should use istanbul as the centre of the rally...the current location of the wrc Turkey is a farce compared to that.

RS
5th April 2008, 11:00
i know but since its called the rally of turkey they should use istanbul as the centre of the rally...the current location of the wrc Turkey is a farce compared to that.

But it's WRC, it's supposed to be crap :D

Mirek
5th April 2008, 11:18
Both Loix and Isik had punctures.

Mirek
5th April 2008, 11:28
Sola lost some time in a dust behind Loix and also hit a bank.

Tom206wrc
5th April 2008, 11:49
SS4 running ;)


Where is Basso ??? :confused:

Tom206wrc
5th April 2008, 11:59
Almost 10 minutes lost for Basso :s

N.O.T
5th April 2008, 12:05
Kopecky really dissapointing so far....and i really expected alen to go faster than this....

wwbroe
5th April 2008, 12:13
Fastest time for Loix!! Vouilloz stays in the lead after stage four.

Jarek Z
5th April 2008, 12:21
But it's WRC, it's supposed to be crap :D

Haha that's so true :up:

Mirek
5th April 2008, 12:25
NOT: Agree, but if everything was as expected, than we needn't to watch rallys ;)

Safak
5th April 2008, 12:26
Are there driver comments or intervues posted anywhere ?
You may find some quotes from the drivers at arkasotomotivtrs.com (http://www.arkasotomotivtrs.com) but the site is only available in Turkish.

I will try to translate some of the comments after stage 6 but if and only if I find some free time.

PLuto
5th April 2008, 12:33
Giandomenico Basso rolled on SS 4.

Safak
5th April 2008, 12:36
Almost 10 minutes lost for Basso :s
He tumbled the car and finaly turn back to road.

Tom206wrc
5th April 2008, 12:43
They are long to give Vouilloz time for SS5 :mark:

wwbroe
5th April 2008, 12:50
They are long to give Vouilloz time for SS5 :mark:

Yes indeed, they only have results for 9 cars. Loix fastest again, Basso loses another 1'49" :(

Tom206wrc
5th April 2008, 13:04
What happened to Vouilloz on SS5 ??? Puncture too ?? :confused:

Sulland
5th April 2008, 13:08
Is there a radio on this one ?

Mirek
5th April 2008, 13:30
It is realy interesting. Everything changes and nothing clear...

wwbroe
5th April 2008, 13:49
What happened to Vouilloz on SS5 ??? Puncture too ?? :confused:

Yes Tom, Vouilloz also had a puncture but didn't have to change the wheel. The reason Loix lost so much time was that during the wheel change, the system to lift the car was blocked and they didn't manage to let the car down again. Yesterday they did do wheel changes in less then two minute's, now they lost almost four :mad:
Without these 3'54" that he lost on stage three he would be in second position now, but with if(s) you can prove everything offcoarse.

Mirek
5th April 2008, 13:58
wwbroe: Loix is still running and many can still happen. It's still worth fighting ;)

OldF
5th April 2008, 14:23
Here you can find online results:

http://www.istanbulrally.org/

(At the left: ONLINE RESULTS)

Mirek
5th April 2008, 14:35
OldF: There are and will be all ERC 2008 results on autosport.cz ;)
http://mmcr.vysledky-rally.cz/rallysport/2008/erc/turkey/6.php

Safak
5th April 2008, 14:40
Basso's Grande Punto S2000 renewed in Service B within 22 minutes and he's back with a fresh car plus a little fine (20 seconds).

ProRally
5th April 2008, 14:42
Fastest time for Loix!! Vouilloz stays in the lead after stage four.

Which stage ?

Mirek
5th April 2008, 14:45
Loix was fastest on stage 4.

Tom206wrc
5th April 2008, 15:21
Apparently Solowow retired after an accident :confused:


SS7 running...

PLuto
5th April 2008, 15:23
Apparently Solowow retired after an accident :confused:


SS7 running...

Polish friends told, that he retired after SS 4 due to engine problems...

OldF
5th April 2008, 15:35
]OldF: There are and will be all ERC 2008 results on autosport.cz ;)
http://mmcr.vysledky-rally.cz/rallysport/2008/erc/turkey/6.php

Thanks Mirek.

In fact I was visiting this web site yesterday but forgot it today, probably because of the beers I had yesterday. Don’t forget to watch Eurosport 17:30 (18.30 Finnish time).

Madeira
5th April 2008, 15:35
Renato Travaglia has lost too much time, any problem with him??

wwbroe
5th April 2008, 15:36
Polish friends told, that he retired after SS 4 due to engine problems...

On the website of Istanbulrally they say he had an accident on stage 5 :confused:

wwbroe
5th April 2008, 15:42
Fast Freddy is charging hard now, he's setting fastest time again on Stage 7. Keep up the good work. Alen is losing half a minute.

Madeira
5th April 2008, 15:48
Fiat must start to think very quickly how can catch Peugeot on the next events, it is clear that Peugeot are a few steps ahead....

desmosedici
5th April 2008, 16:33
Fiat must start to think very quickly how can catch Peugeot on the next events, it is clear that Peugeot are a few steps ahead....

I think it's a bit too early to say this; it's better to wait a bit more :D

Anyway great performance for Rossetti!!

Tom206wrc
5th April 2008, 16:33
No time for Brice Tirabassi on SS8 :confused:

Mirek
5th April 2008, 16:36
Also for Luca Betti...

Madeira
5th April 2008, 16:43
I think it's a bit too early to say this; it's better to wait a bit more :D

Anyway great performance for Rossetti!!
yes I know, but in Italy, In Portugal and in Spain the film is being almost the same... ;)

and welcome to the forum..

wwbroe
5th April 2008, 16:43
]Also for Luca Betti...

Mirek, Betti lost allready five minutes on the previous stage, so probably he had some problem?

[Madeira-Rally]
5th April 2008, 16:45
yes I know, but in Italy, In Portugal and in Spain the film is being almost the same... ;)

Maybe you need to have the right drivers in the right place... wait for some tarmac rallys...to see the gap betwen Peugeot and Fiat...

Tom206wrc
5th April 2008, 16:48
Problem for Vouilloz he lost 25s to Dani Sola on SS9 ??? :confused:

wwbroe
5th April 2008, 16:51
Sola on the charge now, so Fiat isn't doing to bad, allthough the private Fiat's are in front of the official ones :confused:

Mirek
5th April 2008, 16:55
I think that Nico must have some problems because he can't slow down that much in the last stages...

Wim_Impreza
5th April 2008, 17:00
Problem for Vouilloz he lost 25s to Dani Sola on SS9 ??? :confused:

Maybe he want a better road position for tomorrow?

Madeira
5th April 2008, 17:01
well done for Solą, great result for now...!!!

Wim_Impreza
5th April 2008, 17:05
Where is Tirabassi?

wwbroe
5th April 2008, 17:09
]I think that Nico must have some problems because he can't slow down that much in the last stages...

According to a friend of me who is there, Vouilloz has some engine problems, so that explains why he is loosing some time now. Hopefully they can fix it now in service. No news about Tiribassi? Loix into night, hope he can improve a little tomorrow so that he will be into pointscoring positions. :)

PLuto
5th April 2008, 17:15
Tirabassi retired in SS8 due to double puncture.

PLuto
5th April 2008, 17:15
Nicolas Vouilloz has problems with engine.

Jarek Z
5th April 2008, 17:31
Apparently Solowow retired after an accident :confused:


No, according to Autoklub.pl engine broke down in Solowow's car. Just another technical failure of his Punto...

[Madeira-Rally]
5th April 2008, 17:33
Solowow's Punto.. is the S2000 that broke much times...

Torsen
5th April 2008, 17:56
interesting to see Peugeot's dominance... Does ANYONE know if the Evo's have turbos on them? Or are they just high rev engines?

Sulland
5th April 2008, 17:58
Since tyre brand is a factor in IRC, it would be interesting to have a column for that in the results at for instance
http://mmcr.vysledky-rally.cz/rallysport/2008/erc/turkey/9.php

Anyone that knows the guys behind the site, and ca ask for possibilities ?

PLuto
5th April 2008, 18:03
Since tyre brand is a factor in IRC, it would be interesting to have a column for that in the results at for instance
http://mmcr.vysledky-rally.cz/rallysport/2008/erc/turkey/9.php

Anyone that knows the guys behind the site, and ca ask for possibilities ?

I dont think this is a good idea. Maybe on WRC in the past, where are agreements with tyre manufacturers. But not in this championship, where everybody can use tyres, which he wants. Last year I have seen sometimes in Eurosport results tyre marks at some drivers, but they were using different tyres or changing them during race.

I dont think, that this is important (and mostly discoverable info) to take place in results...

wwbroe
5th April 2008, 18:04
According to Eurosport, Tiribassi had problems with gearbox :confused:

Mirek
5th April 2008, 18:05
Torsen: Any S2000 is naturaly aspirated. It is the basic formula.

wwbroe: No, they said double puncture for Tirrabassi. I heard it myself :)

Mirek
5th April 2008, 18:07
Anton Alen and Renato Travaglia had punctures on stage 7. Both with some problems coused by the puncture in next stages (brakes for Alen). Vouilloz doen't know if they manage to repair his engine...

John V
5th April 2008, 18:09
Since tyre brand is a factor in IRC, it would be interesting to have a column for that in the results at for instance
http://mmcr.vysledky-rally.cz/rallysport/2008/erc/turkey/9.php

Anyone that knows the guys behind the site, and ca ask for possibilities ?

Secondly, still not clear, if how many rounds we will follow. We started this due ERC, not IRC, to be honest. But maybe, if we will find some possibility to cooperate with official tyre suppliers and somebody, who will be able to send us necessary infos, we can start to think about it.

wwbroe
5th April 2008, 18:10
Does anybody know why they changed the time of Loix on the last stage. Due to this he dropped back to tenth?

Mirek
5th April 2008, 18:25
]Solowow's Punto.. is the S2000 that broke much times...

Dont want to make any offence on Solowow but it's quite easy to cause engine damage by driver for this type of engine. The way for it is wrong downshifting during braking which makes overrevving the engine...

PLuto
5th April 2008, 18:59
Does anybody know why they changed the time of Loix on the last stage. Due to this he dropped back to tenth?

Today they are changing times often...

Mirek
5th April 2008, 19:18
http://www.rally-mania.cz/med.php?g=361&au=0

Photos from today added.

desmosedici
5th April 2008, 21:25
Great! Thanks!

Mirek
5th April 2008, 21:54
Kopecky said after the first leg that he used too soft tyres on first section and lost handbrake in very last stage of the leg. He also said that he's still learning driving the new car.

PLuto
5th April 2008, 22:27
Finally added penalties... And they have made another time change, for this time it is time of Dani Sola on SS 9...

wwbroe
5th April 2008, 22:35
Finally added penalties... And they have made another time change, for this time it is time of Dani Sola on SS 9...

For me there is something wrong with their timesheets. If you add penalties, how can those have any effect on stagetimes? They are supposed to be added in the overall timecounting and not in any stagetime. They changed Loix time on stag 9 allready three times, so I am wondering which one is the correct one :confused: :confused: :confused: .
Normally they should add a separate colum in the time results where you can see the added penalties, it is really not that difficult in my opion :mad:

PLuto
5th April 2008, 22:54
For me there is something wrong with their timesheets. If you add penalties, how can those have any effect on stagetimes? They are supposed to be added in the overall timecounting and not in any stagetime. They changed Loix time on stag 9 allready three times, so I am wondering which one is the correct one :confused: :confused: :confused: .
Normally they should add a separate colum in the time results where you can see the added penalties, it is really not that difficult in my opion :mad:

It is different. First step - into results are added penalties, of course not into time.

Second step - they are repairing or changing times on stages during whole rally (I dont know why - mistake of timekeeper? mistake of computer? mistake of printer?)...

PLuto
5th April 2008, 23:18
Starting order to second day: http://mmcr.vysledky-rally.cz/rallysport/2008/erc/turkey/2etapa.html

Mirek
6th April 2008, 00:00
Another photos: http://www.rally-mania.cz/med.php?g=360&au=0

PLuto
6th April 2008, 01:31
Another photos: http://www.rally-erc.com/photo.php?cont=20

Tom206wrc
6th April 2008, 08:24
Lovely !!!! :D :p :

http://www.rally-erc.com/zoom.php?id=86

Sulland
6th April 2008, 09:01
When is ss10 starting ?

Safak
6th April 2008, 09:06
SS10 has already started and first car completed the stage. Right now seventh car (Isik) is on the stage.

As I heard Basso did not left the Parc Ferme (not confirmed).

Another note for the results, as I observed results crew making mistakes. Track the results via Arkas Otomotiv Turkish Rally Championship's web site. http://www.arkasotomotivtrs.com/sonuc/index.php

Will try to keep you updated.


Edit: Basso left the the Parc Ferme and on his way.

PLuto
6th April 2008, 09:15
Lovely !!!! :D :p :

http://www.rally-erc.com/zoom.php?id=86

Yes, it is Burcu Cetinkaya :)

http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=4861

Abarth
6th April 2008, 09:18
Puncture for Sola ?

dimviii
6th April 2008, 09:19
thanks Safak! :)

PLuto
6th April 2008, 09:19
When is ss10 starting ?

If you are watching results (http://mmcr.vysledky-rally.cz/rallysport/2008/erc/turkey), there is written, when stage starts...

BTW Stage 10 started :)

LC54WRC
6th April 2008, 09:21
Photos from Day-1:


http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/S5001303x.jpg
http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/S5001312x.jpg
http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/S5001319x.jpg
http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/S5001321x.jpg
http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/S5001329x.jpg
http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/S5001337x.jpg

PLuto
6th April 2008, 09:21
And Sola slow :(

LC54WRC
6th April 2008, 09:26
Yes, it is Burcu Cetinkaya :)

http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=4861

http://www.rally-mania.cz/zobrazFotografii.php?if=10496&ig=360

Safak
6th April 2008, 09:26
Last minute note, Basso reached Service Area but he will not continue.

Tom206wrc
6th April 2008, 09:33
Kopecky did a very good time in SS10 !!!! :)

Abarth
6th April 2008, 09:33
Kopecky is joint 1st on ss10, has probably done a few adjustments overnight.

But I expected him even faster sooner. That tells me that IRC has a good level of driver skills, also compared to WRC !

ProRally
6th April 2008, 09:42
Small question, does anybody know who made Donchev's car ?

Tom206wrc
6th April 2008, 09:46
Where is Luca Rossetti in SS11 ???? :eek:

PLuto
6th April 2008, 09:50
Small question, does anybody know who made Donchev's car ?

Tommi Mäkinen Racing

PLuto
6th April 2008, 09:50
Where is Luca Rossetti in SS11 ???? :eek:

In finish.

Tom206wrc
6th April 2008, 09:52
His GPS was late apparently :mark:

Abarth
6th April 2008, 09:53
Sola slow on 11 as well, does anybody know what happened at 10 ?

Safak
6th April 2008, 09:57
His GPS was late apparently :mark:
Do you really have access to see his GPS data?

PLuto
6th April 2008, 10:00
Sola puncture

Tom206wrc
6th April 2008, 10:10
Do you really have access to see his GPS data?



No, that's just a supposition ;)

Tom206wrc
6th April 2008, 10:13
They are long to give time of Krum Donchev in SS11 :confused:

dimviii
6th April 2008, 10:17
ok for Donchev

LC54WRC
6th April 2008, 10:19
a video from Day-1, SS4 Denizli-1, midpoint:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63HMz86YqE

ProRally
6th April 2008, 10:20
Tommi Mäkinen Racing

Thanks.
Did you recently had birthday ? If so still Happy Birthday

Abarth
6th April 2008, 10:26
Voillous took a good 8 seconds on 12, that was impressive. He is very quick this French...

Mirek
6th April 2008, 10:46
Great battle for the win in 2WD between Yagiz Avci and Fatih Kara :)

dimviii
6th April 2008, 10:51
does eurosport has today any live coverage? :rolleyes:

Wim_Impreza
6th April 2008, 10:55
does eurosport has today any live coverage? :rolleyes:

I don't think...

PLuto
6th April 2008, 11:03
Yes, it starts on 11:15 here: http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=1929371&ch=2417736&src=ukeurosport

RS
6th April 2008, 11:04
does eurosport has today any live coverage? :rolleyes:

No, but it is twice live on the internet at Eurosport.com

dimviii
6th April 2008, 11:12
now live from eurosport :D

Jarek Z
6th April 2008, 11:23
Small question, does anybody know who made Donchev's car ?

Donchev's Subaru is prepared by Tommi Makinen Racing. Donchev is not very fast on gravel, because they don't have this kind of rallies in Bulgaria. But on tarmac he's not bad...

For your information - if you look at the rally results on IRC website you will not see Donchev, because it is not allowed to drive Subaru in IRC. So, although he is in 9th position you will not see him in the standings here:
http://www.ircseries.com/html/readNews.asp?id=763

PLuto
6th April 2008, 11:36
On SS 13, there is heavy rain now.

dimviii
6th April 2008, 11:47
Lets see if rain is going to change positions 1-2 and 3-4-5 :D

whats the problem of Sola? i expect him to be faster today :confused:

Mirek
6th April 2008, 11:47
So, Sola except the puncture made completely wrong tyre choice on the first section. Rossetti had also puncture but lost only few seconds and Trvaglia's car looked that he had puncture too (damaged right front mudguard).

dimviii
6th April 2008, 11:59
thanks Mirek ;)

Safak
6th April 2008, 12:17
You may find a video from Service Area at this link (http://www.rallitv.com/watch/e59267d5ecfac5310286/%C4%B0stanbul-Rally-2008-Per%C5%9Fembe). It is a pre rally video

For more videos from the event keep refreshing rallitv.com (http://www.rallitv.com/). I guess with in a couple of days we will find nice videos from Istanbul Rally.

luca
6th April 2008, 12:24
Giandomenico Basso roll on 4th SS video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU-kTjRQDDM

PLuto
6th April 2008, 12:34
Giandomenico Basso roll on 4th SS video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU-kTjRQDDM

Here it is in better quality (WMV) and longer (crew is using windscreen as doors :D ): http://www.rally-erc.com/article.php?cont=118

Finni
6th April 2008, 12:42
I get the feeling that Peugeot 207 might be somewhat faster than Punto.

PLuto
6th April 2008, 13:22
Rossetti is winner...

Sulland
6th April 2008, 13:24
There are larger spaces btw the drivers than I remember from last year, but there are two possible fights for position in the top.

1st and second: Rossetti vs Vouillos 15,9 sec
3rd and 4th: Travaglia vs Alen 8,7 sec

Any bets ?

dimviii
6th April 2008, 13:24
big battle at s1600
Fatih 2,3 sec in front of Avci :eek:

dimviii
6th April 2008, 13:26
@Sulland
don t think that is going something to change..
Rosseti in last stage is faster than previous stages,just controlling Vouilloz.
the same as Travaglia vs Allen

Mirek
6th April 2008, 13:27
Travaglia lost more than a minute in last stage!

dimviii
6th April 2008, 13:28
wow Travaglia lost almost a minute at last stage :eek: