Thread: R-Classes News

Meeke can be helpful for the crash tests

Originally Posted by AndyRAC

When did Meeke test it? And I notice it has Sarrazin's name on the car - does he still have a contract with PeugeotSport?? I think his drive with Toyota at Le Mans is just a one off.

Sarrazin did Tour de Corse in 208 R2 as zero car.

Originally Posted by SlowSon

Meeke can be helpful for the crash tests

Cop on will ya

Originally Posted by Sulland

Is Meeke onboard the 208 team as testdriver for the R5 - would make sense!

It would indeed make sense......................................

Craig Breen will drive 208 R2 as 0 car in a local british rally with Paul Nagle. Also in San Remo, Du var and some other rallies. The car should run about 8000 more test kilometers until final release in November.

What are the main rules for an R5 car?

Easily said: a simple 4wd system, and an R3T (non DI) with a bigger restrictor.

So another special category that will become too expensive?

R5 should be 2wd by the engine and the other two wheels driven by electric motors if the road car features it of course.

Citroen have 4WD hybrid like this I think? BMW also working on a car, so is VW and other manufacturers.

The current hybrid 4WD are just a mockup of real 4WD. It's marketing stunt which obviously work as You believe in it...

Those cars You speak about are simple 2WD with a part-time availability of pseudo-4WD. The problem is that front and rear wheel drive are not connected and the electric engine for the helping function is just too weak. If You for example stand in a hill and the front (combustion engine powered) axle looses all traction You have only the electric engine in the rear to move all the car which in some cases is not enough to move the car at all (in steep uphill for example)! It also has not enough battery capacity to use the electric rear axle for reasonable time (don't know if cooling allows that anyway). It's just helping system for occasional troubles of common users, nothing more.

None of those cars is electric powered full 4WD car with combustion engine working only as generator which is the only way how this could work for permanent use (basically like in a diesel-electric railroad engine). For WRC use there is also big question of reliability and safety of the electric systems in WRC conditions. It's not F1 or Le Mans but there are water splashes, mud, sand etc. everywhere.

I heard next year Tom Coronel will try to finish Dakar in full-electric variant of McRae buggy. Than we'll see if the electric systems can survive use in real tough conditions (not speaking about the need to change batteries in stages).

If You believe that design of WRC-suitable hybrid or electric system is cheaper than the S2000 You are very very naive. Absolutely no way. Plus with full electric cars You would have to change the format of rallies completely to allow them changing batteries between stages (likely to forbid very long stages at all).

Provisional group5 regulations has been published 20.7.2012.

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...5.06.2012).pdf

I started to wonder if the rear suspension is going to be original (front and rear axle suspension). I couldn’t find any mention of modification of the rear ala S2000 & WRC. If the car has a torsion beam rear suspension, is there room for the prop shaft? Some modification must probably also be made to the body shell to make room for the rear diff.

Summary of homologations allowed as VR5 homologations:

Min weight 1200 kg

Engine:
Engine & gearbox mountings
Turbocharger
Turbo speed sensor
The maximum boost pressure will be 2,5 bar * *subject to additional tests
Supercharging air exchanger: Original or homologated in VR5
Maximum ratio: 10,5:1
Pistons
Connecting rods
Crankshaft
Engine flywheel
Cylinder head
ECU
Data recording system
The cam lift must be homologated in VR5, max 11 mm
Tappets / Rocker arms
Intake manifold
Intake valves
The throttle unit
Exhaust valves
Exhaust manifold
Exhaust system: The cut out in the rear bumper must be homologated in VR5.
Balancing shafts
Maximum engine revs being limited to 7500 rpm
The water pump
The radiator
The oil sump
The oil pump

FUEL CIRCUIT:
The fuel tank
The location of the fuel tank

ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT:
The battery must be situated behind the driver or codriver seats (the new location of the battery must be homologated in VR5)
The alternator / starter
The starter motor is free and his position must be homologated in VR5
Diurnal lights (daytime lights) may be replaced with the substitute part homologated in VR5

TRANSMISSION:
Clutch mechanism
Clutch control
The gearbox
The gearbox control (sequential linkage)
Gearbox lubrication device and oil cooling system
Final drive
Mechanical type limited slip differential
Transverse and longitudinal transmission shafts

FRONT AND REAR AXLES-SUSPENSIONS:
All the suspension parts
a) Linkages
b) Reinforcement bars may be fitted on the suspension mounting points to the bodyshell or
chassis of the same axle, on each side of the car’s longitudinal axis
b) The reinforcement of anchorage points with additional material is authorised
Upper suspension points
The anti-roll bars, together with their anchorage points
Only shock absorbers and McPherson strut assembly homologated in the VR5 Variant may be used.

RUNNING GEAR:
Only the brake discs, callipers, handbrake and pedals homologated in the VR5 variant may be used
Master cylinders
If the anti-lock braking system (ABS) is disconnected or removed, the use of one or more
mechanical rear braking distributor(s) homologated by the manufacturer in the VR5 Variant is authorised.
Steering mechanism (housing and rack
Steering rods
Steering column

BODYWORK – BODYSHELL:
Additional openings on the engine bonnet must be homologated
The maximum width of the VR5 car is 1820 mm.
Seats:
- The harness fixings must be those homologated in VO/VR5 by the FIA
- Seat support and anchorages
The dashboard hump(s) may be modified but the modification must be homologated in VR5
The air conditioning compressor may be removed. The modification must be homologated in
VR5.
The safety foam and door panels homologated in VR5 must be used.
Sunroof / Roof hatch: original or homologated in VR5.
Windscreen: only series windscreens and windscreens homologated in VO/VR5 may be used

Engine: 1.6L or what ever?
I didn´t find "engine max XXXX cc"

Does this mean the body will not be widened?

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Originally Posted by HaCo

Does this mean the body will not be widened?
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900-f

Overall width
The maximum width of the VR5 car is 1820 mm

The 208 is 1730mm width. So, 10cm left, how much is the current s2000 spec?

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1820 mm too (for example stock Fabia II is only 1642 mm).

Originally Posted by Mirek

1820 mm too (for example stock Fabia II is only 1642 mm).

Hi Mirek, i know that the new Fabia will only be on the market in 2014, Are you sure that R5 will be based on the Fabia?

I can't say I'm sure but I'm willing to bet Citigo is nonsense and there is no other car to make it from. I heard the R5 will be homologated only for season 2014 anyway.

Originally Posted by pantealex

Engine: 1.6L or what ever?
I didn´t find "engine max XXXX cc"

First time I heard (read) about this new formula was in gpweek (page 39, issue 121 20.7.2011)
By this it will be 1600 cc direct injection.




In the provisional R5 regulations 324-a1 it says:

Any additional injection system (i.e. water …) is prohibited.
Injectors:
For direct petrol injection, at any point of the fuel circuit, the maximum pressure authorised is
8 bars in the low pressure circuit and 200 bars average on one cycle in the high pressure
circuit (direct injection only).

Could be interpreted that a non-DI engine is also allowed.


Another article was on Maxrally 24.7.2011

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MaxRally | News | Cheaper Super 2000 category planned

24th July 2011
By Charlie Contadeli

The new-generation Super 2000 cars will be half the price of a current version according to Peugeot Sport’s Bertrand Vallat.

Vallat, who is responsible for the French make’s hugely successful 207 model, revealed that Peugeot and Skoda are in discussions with the FIA, motorsport’s world governing body, regarding the new technical regulations for 2013.

In an interview with respected radio reporter Colin Clark, Vallat said: “Skoda and Peugeot are talking with the FIA for a new car from 2013. It will be a standard car with a 1.6 turbo based on a future model. We are trying to cut the technical cost by half. It will be a big challenge to reduce this cost but we will be working hard with the FIA to achieve this. The category could be good."

The current Super 2000 rules were introduced in 2006. If the cost-cutting plans reach fruition then the new-era S2000 machine could cost approximately 100,000 Euros.

PS I don’t believe the price will be as low as 100.000 €. I don’t you can get even a Citroen DS3 R3T for that price.

The initial price doesnt matter, they can sell it even for 1 euro, but what about the maintenance costs?