Brands Hatch Thread

**cos** · 19th Aug 07, 14:57

Jackson's been given a 6-place grid penalty for his part in the race 1 carnage. Maybe a bit harsh as all he did was spin out on the wet track, but on the other hand he did ruin a lot of people's weekend, so..

**SEATFreak** · 19th Aug 07, 14:59

Originally Posted by nik

I suppose every season has a day like this.

Problem is we in the BTCC have had two now that even I can remember.

Though I was not at Donny, Donny may not have been worser than Brands Hatch but was as bad. The conditions at Brands Hatch I think only seem to be the worser of the two because something happened today that didn't happen at Donny. A driver's spin caused others behind him to collide into him.

**nicemms** · 19th Aug 07, 15:34

Although the weather isn't as bad to day as it was at Donnington the changing conditions have made it worse as the drivers are unsure what tyres to use, resulting in unstable cars.

**Allyc85** · 19th Aug 07, 15:49

Jacksons penalty was harsh IMO. He obviously never meant to spin and cause that carnage.

**VkmSpouge** · 19th Aug 07, 16:17

Don't know what Giovanardi was doing in that last race. Did he forget to brake when he hit Mike Jordan? A real shame for Jordan, he probably could have won the race.

**mikecapener** · 19th Aug 07, 16:19

Jacksons penalty was harsh IMO. He obviously never meant to spin and cause that carnage.

When you take into account that all Jacko did was to spin a rwd car on a wet track and then compare that to Plato's second go at taking out Chilts in as many meetings and got no penalty, I wouldn't go as far as to say that there seem to be two tier standards but you have to ask yourself don't you?

**nicemms** · 19th Aug 07, 16:28

Originally Posted by VkmSpouge

Don't know what Giovanardi was doing in that last race. Did he forget to brake when he hit Mike Jordan? A real shame for Jordan, he probably could have won the race.

Its disapointing for Jordan and I'm sure he'll be gutted because he was doing so well.

As ITV said he must have missed his braking point and just had too much speed and probably caught Jordan as Jordan turned in. But what a save by Giovanardi!

The championship goes down to the wire again!

**KILOHMUNNS** · 19th Aug 07, 17:30

I can't remember a meeting like this for a long time, when was the last time so many cars got taken out in one race?

The penalty was a bit harsh on Jackson and why the hell was Steve Neal fuming about it? (According to ITV) It was a racing accident on cold tyres in the wet!. Great save by Turkington after he made a mistake in race one.

Chilton wasn't too happy with Plato's move in race 2, and Plato always complains when it happen to him (shoe and other foot spings to mind) but a great comeback to get second.

A great scrap in race 3 with just ashame it all ended in tears and I'm not sure what happened with Gio (too busy looking in his mirrors and missed him breaking?) but I really feel for Jordan as I would have expected him to be on the podium.

Does anyone think there will be any reprocussion after this weekend? anybody with points deducted or time penalties and places reduced?

**AndySpeed** · 19th Aug 07, 17:35

Brilliant car control from Giovanardi, although I'm not sure if he shouldn't have been penalised for taking Jordan along with him...

Poor decision by the stewards to penalise Jackson for causing the race 1 pile up

**Hazell B** · 19th Aug 07, 17:44

I'm disgusted with the Jackson penalty. Poor guy already felt bad about taking so many out through no real fault of his own and they slap him with a six place drop too. Unfair - it sure as hell couldn't bring those other cars back out on the grid could it?

I guess a certain daddy was upset that his son had to go to hospital and shouted about it to the stewards

Wonder how many accidents that son's caused over the years .....?

This is the sort of thing that's put me off spending time and money going to the meetings. You're just not offered a fair sport to watch sometimes these days.

**Allyc85** · 19th Aug 07, 18:23

yea there does seem something very wrong with the consistency of penalty given out in the BTCC. id love to hear the exact words from the stewards as to why hes been punished.

Was a shame that Jones got taken out twice he drove brilliantly today until the other Seats got involved with him, wonder what penalty they will get....

**VkmSpouge** · 19th Aug 07, 19:23

Originally Posted by Hazell B

I'm disgusted with the Jackson penalty. Poor guy already felt bad about taking so many out through no real fault of his own and they slap him with a six place drop too. Unfair - it sure as hell couldn't bring those other cars back out on the grid could it?

I guess a certain daddy was upset that his son had to go to hospital and shouted about it to the stewards

Wonder how many accidents that son's caused over the years .....?

This is the sort of thing that's put me off spending time and money going to the meetings. You're just not offered a fair sport to watch sometimes these days.

I don't think any amount of whining by anyone is capable of effecting the stewards decision. That said I agree the decision to give Jackson a penalty was the wrong one. There was worse driving than that today.

**Rusty** · 19th Aug 07, 19:39

He was given the penalty for a reason we have seen for to many years now..... STEVE NEAL moaning saying that Matt Jackson caused the accident, which he did but not intentionally causing his beloved Matt Neal to have a totalled car and bruised ego once again somebody else's day spoiled by his constent Moaning, i wish he would keep to his promises and leave to race WTCC and leave the real teams to it....

Apologies to anybody who takes offence to this i'm just sick of it now...

**Steelrat** · 19th Aug 07, 19:47

He was also fined 1000.00 and had his competition licence endorsed.

I'm really not understanding this. Is there anyone that can supply the official explanation for this?

P

**Rusty** · 19th Aug 07, 19:52

That is crazy fined and points for spinning in the wet What is going on ARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!

**VkmSpouge** · 19th Aug 07, 19:58

I would love to read the official explanation of why they have penalised Mat Jackson.

**nicemms** · 19th Aug 07, 20:01

The way I see the whole Jackson thing is that he made advantage of the rear wheel drive bmw to get past a few people, then he got caught out by the slippery side of the track which caused him to spin. Simple as. No bad intentions at all.

Steve Neal had no right to be angry at Mat Jackson. Surely he knows that motorsport is dangerous and things like this do happen. It wasn't Jackson's fault or anybody elses.

**peewhee** · 19th Aug 07, 20:10

Originally Posted by KILOHMUNNS

The penalty was a bit harsh on Jackson and why the hell was Steve Neal fuming about it? (According to ITV) It was a racing accident on cold tyres in the wet!.

Why was he the only car to spin?
Did you notice, he even went down the grass at the start of the race?!
Trying too hard in the conditions!

Originally Posted by KILOHMUNNS

Does anyone think there will be any reprocussion after this weekend?

Yes... less cars at Knockhill....

**AndySpeed** · 19th Aug 07, 20:34

Originally Posted by peewhee

Why was he the only car to spin?
Did you notice, he even went down the grass at the start of the race?!
Trying too hard in the conditions!

Not the only car - Colin Turkington...

It looked as if there was a puddle at the bottom of paddock hill that caught out a few drivers, most notably the rear wheel drive ones. All of the BMW's and Lexus looked twitchier today.

**tintin** · 19th Aug 07, 20:52

Jackson didn't have to spin though - if he hadn't tried to pull back in (and he must have felt the back end sliding out before he did it), he would have just run into the gravel, lost a few places and rejoined.