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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Maybe it would do everyone a favour if Ogier retired. It would make all of the Teams' situation a whole lot simpler...
    Agree, isn't five enough? No doubting the man's talent, but let's give more youngsters seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    Ogier wasn't exactly dominant this year, especially not in the mid-season with 5th place on Sardinia, 3rd place gifted in Poland after many retirements and 0 points from Finland.. going into Germany with same points as Neuville. Also comparison with Tanak is quite close.

    So hiring Ogier doesn't look like 100% guaranteed title and not hiring him like 100% no title. Looks like Toyota is not exactly going all-in for Ogier either.
    Here I don't agree. Yes Ogier wasn't as dominant as VW years this year but Hyundai would have had way more chances (real chances) to win the title with him. I think we all agree on this.

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    He should stay for a few years. I think the competition and cars this year a lot better than the past. VW was dominating, but we have drivers and cars that are all capable of winning.

    As mknight said a few posts above, Ogier was not exactly dominating this year. He did what a champ has to do, but Tanak, Nueville or Latvala could have also been winning WDC at this stage. Latvala with reliability issues, Tanak with some misfortunes and Nueville with a few silly mistakes that led to two 1st place finished gone with the wind. Next year isn't going to be a walk in the park for the champ.

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    Come on guys it never is a walk in the park but he is on another level. You can talk about unluck and misfortunes of others as much as you want but he is simply the best and everytime someone tried to catch him he ended up with less the 3 wheels on his car, tears in his eyes and dozens of points behind in the overall ranking.
    Having him in your team is very close to have a garantee to win the WDC nowadays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by racerx1979 View Post
    .... but Tanak, Nueville or Latvala could have also been winning WDC at this stage.
    Almost the tin man, the scarecrow and the lion - Heart, head and nerve (i.e. Resolve) missing in some degree from all the challengers. Can't see that's going to suddenly be different (apart from Tanak appearing to have got his brain working this year). The car doesn't matter, Ogier is the superior talent at the moment and even if he doesn't dominate over 14 rallies he will always accumulate more points than anyone else!
    Kris Meeke got fired -PSG so terrified they quit!

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    Think you are a bit blinded by the recent 2 good rallies. It certainly wasn't looking anywhere that good after weak performances in Sardinia and Poland and off in Finland. If he does not have competitive and reliable car steady finishes won't help him. The margins are really small.

    Don't get me wrong, I agree that the combination of reliability and speed is significantly better than others, but it's not unbeatable. Not with all (or at least 3) cars competitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassist View Post
    Agree, isn't five enough? No doubting the man's talent, but let's give more youngsters seats.
    Yeeees. I'm not only one who thinks about that.

    Nandan said that the team are in talks with Ogier for future, but not for 2018 they have 4 drivers signed and have no available seat. 3 of their drivers have contract for 2018. Only Mikkelsen have also 2019.

    And I hope they would not sign him. They can win without him. Toyota maybe is not interested in him because he turns them down once.

    And whoever thinks that Hyundai can only win by him under the roof. If Latvala wouldn't have bad luck this year and Neuville mistakes he would have no chance. And I think that this is luck for him this year and please don't sa opposite because we all know that he is strugling much more than last year. Most of his good results are coming because of mistakes and misfortunes of others.

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    If there are 3 competitive cars with Meeke, Neuville, Mikkelsen, Tanak, Latvala and Lappi all capable of winning on any given day which of these drivers will put together enough second and third places to gain points where one driver is winning? Which of these drivers has ever indicated they can handle the pressure of expectation? Which of these will be so superior under all conditions that they will win more than 4 events in the season. Yes Ogier had a poor run (unusual for him) but was anyone really able to capitalise by being the dominant force at that time?
    Kris Meeke got fired -PSG so terrified they quit!

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    Tänak and Latvala have been very consistent and fast this year. If not so anxious for that Rally Poland win instead of 2. place, three cylinders in Monte (2.--->3.), overheating issues in Mexico, team error on Rally Sweden final day, that didn`t allow him to compete for vicory, failed PS win in Sweden, things would be quite nice for Tänak. Latvala would be also close if not for the mech. issues...Neuville lost his championship in Spain.
    Last edited by Tarmop; 9th October 2017 at 17:12.

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    Neuville lost his championship on the Monte.... and by extension, Ogier won his!
    What people appear to overlook is that where one of the challengers might have done well that would normally have been at the expense of other challengers, not the champ.
    Last edited by Mintexmemory; 9th October 2017 at 17:19.
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