New R4 Car - Think Tank

[Rally Power]

About MR, I'm wondering how much these cars cost.
Because, if you look at other South American countries, you can see these cars aren't popular at all there.

Maybe the problem isn't in their cost but at the way local ASN's are making regs reform.

Only in Argentina and Brasil MR were really promoted as the rally top class, but in Brasil's case that option was somehow undermined by XRC tech choices (it came with a heavy 3.6 V6 and are made by the company of the running champ, Mauricio Neves). Bolivia has an open proto class (Dytko protos are dominant but I believe an MR Fiesta was lately imported) and Peru rally scene seems a mixture of rally and cross country events, with no place for modern rally cars. Uruguay is still finding the way to replace N4, while Paraguay introduced FIA regs (R5/S2000) and Chile also uses FIA regs but emphases renovation into R2/R3 cars.

MR success depends on the ability of national turners build them locally. That's the best way to keep them cheap, as the Argentines has managed to prove.

MR Argentina action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB6ODEv6PEk

Neves 207 XRC:
https://youtu.be/phfWeVA7dUk?t=262

[br21]

AP 4 Mazda shakedown so not at comptetion pace. Mazda turbo engine with sadev sequential transmission (heavy duty rallycross transverse model) and good brakes.
https://www.facebook.com/Holder-Brot...8636160829964/

from other vids it looks like it uses same transmission (gbox & diff) like Fiesta R5, also suspension parts looks very, very similar. Good parts, but I can't find room there for saving the costs comparing to R5.

[makinen_fan]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC 43m43 minutes ago
FIA rallying director Jarmo Mahonen says in newspaper interview FIA will introduce an all-new 4WD kit car class in March. @ksmlfi

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC 42m42 minutes ago
New cars will be 4WD, 300hp, around €120 000, running costs half from R5s. It'll be a kit ready for "any car". They'll run already this year

[Jack4688`]

Unless I've missed something earlier in this thread what is the point of this new category? 4WD and 300hp sounds similar to R5. So why, when clearly R5 is not about to be replaced, create something cheaper than R5 but at the same level?

[Co-driven]

I think it is what was mentioned in some other thread: the need of a 4wd class in between a 2wd class and R5. Going from a R2 or R3 direclty to a R5 can be a huge step, either from a sporting view or from a financial point of view.

[skarderud]

I think this is something really good for National championships, a better car than a N4, you can get a car from anyone that not have a car ready.
Of course it will never be R5 speed, but its close and can do good in the right drivers, and builders, behind the steeringwheel.

[Rally Power]

Spanish N5’s cars (Maxi Rally) already on the road:

Suzuki Swift prepared by AR Vidal - https://youtu.be/TxQYMInLqKs
Peugeot 208 prepared by RMC - https://www.facebook.com/88504350818...type=2&theater

The 208 has done a sprint rally as 0 car and is expected to run in next gravel champ rally. The Swift will be doing more tests before entering tarmac series.

[Sulland]

What are the tech data for the N5 Suzuki?
- Engine caracteristics
- 4 wd system
- suspension and undertray
- price

[Rally Power]

N5 rules are based in Maxi Rally regs, keeping MR major features: rally purpose built bodies from wide range of makes/models, using control chassis kits, 4wd transmission with a 6 speed sequential gearbox (based on Subaru parts) and the new 1.6T engine from PSA (CDT block).

But N5 are also allowed to use a Mitsubishi Evo engine as an option (downsized to 1.6l) and the control parts kit is less restricted than MR’s. Authorized local tuners can choose from a wider range of components, as only sub frame chassis, suspension arms and mountings, half-axles, gearbox housing and the turbo came from Baratec kit (PK parts).

After the Porsche restrictor mess, RFEA (local ASN) revised N5’s restrictor size. They’ll use 34mm (instead of the original 32), keeping 2.5 bar and 1230kg. The list of authorized Spanish tuners wasn’t yet published. For now, RMC and ARVidal are the only ones and N5 price still’s a secret (has been rumored to be around €150.000).

N5 regs link: https://www.rfeda.es/documents/20185...b-73fb1e04a99c

[Munkvy]

Sounds somewhat similar to the AP4 regulations. Maybe the FIA will eventually take notice of these things and it could become recognised worldwide... Mind you I am sure there would be an FIA approval tax which would make them as expensive as R5 then!