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31st July 2017, 20:17 #11
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31st July 2017, 20:43 #12
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The secret in Sweden used to be leaning to snowbanks, the Scandinavians knew how to do that, but the Southern Europeans couldn't do it. Nowadays there's less snow anyway.
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31st July 2017, 20:51 #13
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You write if it was equal, plenty of southern Europeans would have won or had success, then I answer plenty who? Who are the plenty you think could or would have been successful?
Who are these plenty who have won all over the world and who have not been able to win in Sweden because snow is so special?
Then I try to help, maybe you just mean the three I mention, and so I explain why. Coincidences. And there are other rally they have not won too.
Gravel or gravel roads around the world (and Europe) are very different. From volcanic gravel of different grades on the Azores, to roll gravel in Australia on roads without ditches. Sweden is no more special than the most special gravel around the world Everyone who wants to get to the top of the WRC must learn, I would say less special.
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31st July 2017, 21:01 #14
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31st July 2017, 21:07 #15
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31st July 2017, 21:09 #16
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31st July 2017, 21:12 #17
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[QUOTE=dimviii;1149232]I mean the opposite.NOT plenty south European drivers have won.
Is this posible, you twist the answer one more time, i give up.
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31st July 2017, 21:25 #18
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Coach, my good friend I lived in Sweden for may years and drove millions of miles on Swedish gravel roads and some are quite wide and very very good surface. I wasn't a rally driver then so I didn't give it a lot of thought. Then.
Of course once I was a rally driver (1984) I, we, all looked at every video we could find...And then I began returning for business (my business was a specialty Saab business emphasis on whole car builds--basically I made rally cars tthat had interiors and taller final drive for "fast road use") and then asked friends in the business about stages and THEN suddenly I was shocked senseless...
Many many were EXTREMELY narrow...
But even now if you look at WRC vids or even (much better) District level Grupp H events the roads you see on the vids look broad and smooth..
So I thought and I think fairly certain the reason you see wide and smooth roads is because---and that's usually going along edges of fields---is because that's where a cameraman can film some action for some duration...because its fields..
If they were deep in the woods, first there no place to stand and second they could only see the car ZIP! for 1 second maybe if lucky 2 seconds..
Around the fields are those chest deep ditches and IN the woods there are stumps of trees and rocks often just 5 cm from the edge of the road..
In short I was scared sh1tless how narrow the roads were, how sometimes chewed up and how fast even locals were all relative to here in Festung Amerika...
In 1993 I visit Monte Carlo because I was "homesick" for France..it was 14 years since I lived and raced all over France...and then went up to Sweden and bought some junky Citroen and went out to Värmland for WRC Sweden...I drove out from several SS after last car and then I get to see how insanely rutted the roads were..VERY! deep ruts and no snow after the first cars, it gets compressed into ICE...
Very special events..very tricky roads..Unique? Finland and Sweden...Monte? a classic but really not since the dropping of the "Concentration Run"..Just a very narrow set of roads and the potential for mixed conditions.
1993 for example clean asphalt for every stage. So it was just an asphalt event...John Vanlandingham
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31st July 2017, 21:28 #19
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I have said 3 times EXACTLY the same.That you don't have explanation about youe statement,doesnt mean that your mates ''twist'' their opinions. You could say that I just said something stupid,and icant explain it.
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31st July 2017, 21:40 #20
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actually with "pretty good" tires its better grip.. I cannot imagine what it would be like with fresh new Nordic spec winter studs on a car..But I was in Sweden to learn a profession and I did a lot of very serious training with "pretty OK" moto-cross tires with 300 rally studs and I tell you it was much better than summer for grip..
Indeed it taught me a lot about what I was doing wrong in summer..
I think the differences is what I was saying above, the narrowness and high speeds, and of course the depth of good drivers in a given start field..
I have seen Finnish F-cup events where in the "senior" class 1st thru 56th, the entire class on every SS was within 1 minute SS time. I don't see that kind of depth in other countries.. hell here in Merikuh we see minutes between cars in same class per stage...
Good point at the end..It was big news the first time somebody other than a Swede or a Finn won in Sweden---or Finland and only a very few have ever..John Vanlandingham
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