Is Redbull the architect of its engine problems?

[Nitrodaze]

Is there enough nous at Red Bull to build their own engines like Zakspeed did in Formula One? They can't very well do worse that Zakspeed can they?

Apparently, Redbull do not think your idea is that crazy as they have agreed with Renault to take on future development of the Renault engine with illmor assisting with its future development.

see http://thejudge13.com/2015/11/05/exc...gine-for-2016/

As it goes, RBR would be running the Renault engine in 2016. Now Mercedes and Ferrari have something to think about. All along, RBR appeared to be lost while they were actually negotiating intellectual rights on the ICE module on the Renault engine which they co-developed with Renault. Honda was interested in supplying Redbull, because RBR dangled the Renault ICE design at them. Renault who one would have expected to be very pissed with redbull for the state of affairs in the media was unusually quiet. Now we know why, they needed to secure the rights to the ICE design which RBR has a joint rights to. The media charade was cloak and dagger after all.

That said, it is great RBR would be on the grid for 2016. I would love to see how the 2016 Renault engine developed with illmor's involvement would compare to the competition.

[The Black Knight]

Apparently, Redbull do not think your idea is that crazy as they have agreed with Renault to take on future development of the Renault engine with illmor assisting with its future development.

see http://thejudge13.com/2015/11/05/exc...gine-for-2016/

As it goes, RBR would be running the Renault engine in 2016. Now Mercedes and Ferrari have something to think about. All along, RBR appeared to be lost while they were actually negotiating intellectual rights on the ICE module on the Renault engine which they co-developed with Renault. Honda was interested in supplying Redbull, because RBR dangled the Renault ICE design at them. Renault who one would have expected to be very pissed with redbull for the state of affairs in the media was unusually quiet. Now we know why, they needed to secure the rights to the ICE design which RBR has a joint rights to. The media charade was cloak and dagger after all.

That said, it is great RBR would be on the grid for 2016. I would love to see how the 2016 Renault engine developed with illmor's involvement would compare to the competition.

I think it's a shame that these guys have managed to secure an Engine for 2016, if that report is accurate. They are not good for the public image of F1 and they deserved to be without an Engine for 2016 because of their behavior alone. Anyway, lets wait for official confirmation but I personally hope they crash and burn.

[jens]

I think it's a shame that these guys have managed to secure an Engine for 2016, if that report is accurate. They are not good for the public image of F1 and they deserved to be without an Engine for 2016 because of their behavior alone. Anyway, lets wait for official confirmation but I personally hope they crash and burn.

Yep, it is definitely awesome if there are no competitive teams in F1 and everyone besides Mercedes crashes and burns I guess.

[The Black Knight]

Yep, it is definitely awesome if there are no competitive teams in F1 and everyone besides Mercedes crashes and burns I guess.

The awesome thing would be if those little shit heads in Red Bull got their comeuppance. Their behaviour has been disgraceful and they bring continual negative attention to the sport. In my opinion they should be thrown out of the sport. When a manager criticises a referee in football they get fined or a ban. It should be the same in F1 and RBR have certainly brought enough negative publicity on the sport so as to warrant expulsion. They are the cancer of F1.

I really don't mind who is winning as long as they have earned it. RBR deserved the success they had but now they deserve to be thrown out on their ass.