Wrc Rally Argentina 2017

[COD]

This video is a really good indicator, that Citroen has some issues on their setup. Maybe its suspension, maybe aero.

https://www.facebook.com/rallyemag/v...5323020274973/

[Myrvold]

don't know,but I d like to see more cars from this point,to see how they behave.

edit at French forum said is from stage 2 about 1km from start.

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Meeke Kris - Nagle Paul
"The only stage in the loop where we'll get some cleaning. A big moment on a big bump near the start - it just launched the car. Otherwise a good stage." Meeke's team-mate Craig Breen reports a similar incident.

Ye, it's even on the Highlights on youtube
https://youtu.be/qUCYBrPg7fw?t=50s

[mknight]

Can you be a big more constructive, instead of harping on like a tabloid newspaper?

Monte - Car setup to low
Sweden - Diff Issue
Mexico - Win
Corsica - Leading, engine
Argentina - 2nd till going off, suspected damper issue, own accident etc etc etc.

I'd rather have his record that some others.

Monte - crash in 3rd stage, nothing to do with setup, just driving too fast on ice, after that mediocre results with only single 3rd place
Sweden - diff issue when he was in 5th place
Mexico - only manufacturer without problems, road position advantage, still crashed in last corner with huge lead and only massive luck made him win
Corsica - leading half-way yes, +1
Argentina - crash from 2nd with road position advantage, then second crash next day

Clearly the worst record from all the n1 drivers in all 4 teams.


Look at Latvala (never thought I would write something like that), he used to be very much the same. Now going only as fast as is safe and still getting good results, pushing when he's in control (Sweden).

Similarly huge development from Neuville in last 2 rallies. Starting "ok" on Friday then stepping up the pace on saturday and sunday.
Why can't he learn from them? It's not like the rally gets won by not lifting in the first jump of the rally (Argentina SS2), it's only lost there.

[wrc2017]

Monte - crash in 3rd stage, nothing to do with setup, just driving too fast on ice, after that mediocre results with only single 3rd place
Sweden - diff issue when he was in 5th place
Mexico - only manufacturer without problems, road position advantage, still crashed in last corner with huge lead and only massive luck made him win
Corsica - leading half-way yes, +1
Argentina - crash from 2nd with road position advantage, then second crash next day

Clearly the worst record from all the n1 drivers in all 4 teams.


Look at Latvala (never thought I would write something like that), he used to be very much the same. Now going only as fast as is safe and still getting good results, pushing when he's in control (Sweden).

Similarly huge development from Neuville in last 2 rallies. Starting "ok" on Friday then stepping up the pace on saturday and sunday.
Why can't he learn from them? It's not like the rally gets won by not lifting in the first jump of the rally (Argentina SS2), it's only lost there.

Why do you care what he does? You have an obvious vendetta. Your giving him zero room for any fundamental issues with the car, which are obvious to everyone but you.

Is Breen's pace is where is car is really at?

Meeke wasn't in Argentina last year, and the last time he done that stage was in the fog 2 years ago, where stage time was maybe 2 mins slower.

Why dont you give Paddon the same treatment? His record is far worse year, and no pace, and was the 'next coming' this time last year, and Neville was on the ropes.

At least Meeke has pace, and pace to win any rally on the calendar. You can only say that about Ogier and Neville.

[BigWorm]

Monte - crash in 3rd stage, nothing to do with setup, just driving too fast on ice, after that mediocre results with only single 3rd place
Sweden - diff issue when he was in 5th place
Mexico - only manufacturer without problems, road position advantage, still crashed in last corner with huge lead and only massive luck made him win
Corsica - leading half-way yes, +1
Argentina - crash from 2nd with road position advantage, then second crash next day

Clearly the worst record from all the n1 drivers in all 4 teams.


Look at Latvala (never thought I would write something like that), he used to be very much the same. Now going only as fast as is safe and still getting good results, pushing when he's in control (Sweden).

Similarly huge development from Neuville in last 2 rallies. Starting "ok" on Friday then stepping up the pace on saturday and sunday.
Why can't he learn from them? It's not like the rally gets won by not lifting in the first jump of the rally (Argentina SS2), it's only lost there.

Think Meeke's development phase is gone already. What we get from him now is what we will continue to get.

[mknight]

Why do you care what he does? You have an obvious vendetta. Your giving him zero room for any fundamental issues with the car, which are obvious to everyone but you.

Is Breen's pace is where is car is really at?

Meeke wasn't in Argentina last year, and the last time he done that stage was in the fog 2 years ago, where stage time was maybe 2 mins slower.

Why dont you give Paddon the same treatment? His record is far worse year, and no pace, and was the 'next coming' this time last year, and Neville was on the ropes.

At least Meeke has pace, and pace to win any rally on the calendar. You can only say that about Ogier and Neville.

For some reason Paddon has nowhere near the amount of people excusing his mistakes and when he crashes neither him nor his fans start blaming the car first.

[mknight]

This video is a really good indicator, that Citroen has some issues on their setup. Maybe its suspension, maybe aero.

https://www.facebook.com/rallyemag/v...5323020274973/

Attached are the screens from WRC+ onboard over that spot.

Meeke left, Neuville right.

From bottom up:

1. Crest before bump:
Meeke 175kph, starting to brake, Neuville 138 kph, just stopped braking

2. Last frame before bump
Meeke 158 kph and on brakes, Neuville 155 kph and on throttle

3. Both in air, Meeke lifts nose a bit higher, but not very big difference. (the speed indicators are pointless in the air as they show how much the wheels spin)

=> The cars behaved pretty much the same, Meeke was on brakes with more weight on front which causes the extra lift.

[lnvs]

This video is a really good indicator, that Citroen has some issues on their setup. Maybe its suspension, maybe aero.

https://www.facebook.com/rallyemag/v...5323020274973/

Every car had more or less same issue there. Too fast on the first run, even those who braked had unnecessary hard jump. You can see from wrc+ onboards second run everyone braked hard there.

Why we see so much of these bump and compression related issues this year? Cars go faster than drivers can expect when they make the notes? To maximize aero these new generation cars run closer to the ground what they have used to. What was easy flat in the past seems to be hard hit to the under guard.

I don't know where Meeke found this Dakar buggies style going flat over every bump. Or maybe old cars could cope better. Not like he was the most consistent before...

[wrc2017]

Attached are the screens from WRC+ onboard over that spot.

Meeke left, Neuville right.

From bottom up:

1. Crest before bump:
Meeke 175kph, starting to brake, Neuville 138 kph, just stopped braking

2. Last frame before bump
Meeke 158 kph and on brakes, Neuville 155 kph and on throttle

3. Both in air, Meeke lifts nose a bit higher, but not very big difference. (the speed indicators are pointless in the air as they show how much the wheels spin)

=> The cars behaved pretty much the same, Meeke was on brakes with more weight on front which causes the extra lift.

OK Columbo

So you saying its not speed related? So Meeke wasnt going to fast. Thats that sorted.

Why did both C3's break the gearbox at the same place on the SS3, and others didnt. The chassis is too low, and the dampers are crashing straight through.

[wrc2017]

For some reason Paddon has nowhere near the amount of people excusing his mistakes and when he crashes neither him nor his fans start blaming the car first.

He team mate is winning rallys, and his pace is gone south. I wouldnt be complaining about the car either.