2015 Mexico GP

[jens]

Well, the two Finns can't help but crash into each other. Wonder, what the Finns themselves think of this.

Yeah I know it was a racing incident, but a perfect payback from Bottas, if I ever saw one. Räikkönen got a clear taste of 'karma' now!

Vettel had his worst race of the season, while I am impressed with Kvyat going well again.

[Big Ben]

It would be great if this sort of thing do not happen in situations where the instructed party have something to lose from such a call in the future. Merc has been very fair and simply the most exemplary team in the history of F1, in my humble opinion. Very few front end teams operate an even handed policy that lets their drivers race themselves without hinderance or favouring one driver over the other. The old Nos 1 and Nos 2 setup is fading from F1 as a result of Mercedes. We see in other teams that typically operate the old model adopting the Mercedes style which has allowed Kyvat to take the fight to Ricciado and Bottas to emerge from the shadow of a more experienced Massa.

The Mercedes era is a beautiful one from this perspective in my opinion.

It most certainly helps that rules are so that they don't really need to worry for a few years about other teams. In these circumstances it's easy not to favor one of the driver. If Ferrari or another will challenge them in the future more seriously we will see if they will stick to it.

[AndyL]

To be frank, if I were Hamilton and I felt that I could have gotten to the end of the race on that set of tires without pitting and having the pace right to the end, I'd have taken it with the attitude of "This is for Monaco".

The trouble is that leaves the team in an ungovernable situation. All trust between team and driver is lost. No strategy for the benefit of the team can be made because both drivers assume the other will ignore it.

Actually forget that. Here's hoping the Mercedes drivers do go out of control, allowing Kimi to steal the 2016 championship just like in '07

[AndyL]

As for Merceds, I do agree with you but I think they need a separate strategist. That way each driver can chose when to pit and the race is really in their own hands.

Actually I agree this could help Mercedes' situation and make the drivers more manageable. When team orders need to be issued, the strategists won't question them because they know they can be more easily fired than the drivers, and the drivers will be less inclined to question them if they come from their own strategist.

[Nitrodaze]

To be frank, if I were Hamilton and I felt that I could have gotten to the end of the race on that set of tires without pitting and having the pace right to the end, I'd have taken it with the attitude of "This is for Monaco". He has no reason to help Rosberg secure second in the championship as second doesn't matter jack shit anyway. As it stands, Hamilton has 10 wins that should be 11 and Rosberg has 4 which should be 3 and I don't think he should be doing Rosberg any favours given what Rosberg did at Spa and Monaco last year. Anyway, it is what it is, but I'd expect that were the championship still on the line he'd have refused to pit. I reckon he took the attitude that he'll not ruffle the teams feathers but he may in future.

As for Mercedes, I do agree with you but I think they need a separate strategist. That way each driver can chose when to pit and the race is really in their own hands. The way it is now, with a track and the aerodynamic rules as they are nowadays, it's very hard for the guy that qualifies behind to actually get by if they don't get them at the start. I think both drivers should be allowed different strategies if they would prefer. It'd make the races more interesting.

I hear what you are saying, but you seem to forget that the reason Hamilton had track position of leading the grand prix at that point of the race, was because Rosberg was called in first for new tyres. It would have been ugly for Hamilton to take advantage of this situation by not coming in when asked to. Rosberg also had the tyres to get to the end of the race had he not pitted. To be fair, Hamilton had to pit too in order for it not to look like the teams bringing about a Hamilton win on a day Rosberg was clearly dominant. Fair is fair and it cuts both ways.

[The Black Knight]

I hear what you are saying, but you seem to forget that the reason Hamilton had track position of leading the grand prix at that point of the race, was because Rosberg was called in first for new tyres. It would have been ugly for Hamilton to take advantage of this situation by not coming in when asked to. Rosberg also had the tyres to get to the end of the race had he not pitted. To be fair, Hamilton had to pit too in order for it not to look like the teams bringing about a Hamilton win on a day Rosberg was clearly dominant. Fair is fair and it cuts both ways.

Yeah but at Monaco the only reason Rosberg won was because of the team making a pit stop blunder. Do you think for a second Rosberg would have given Hamilton the lead back if he had come out in second place? Not on your life. I think Hamilton should have gone tough luck Nico and continued on. It would have leveled things out at least win wise.

[N. Jones]

Cool track. For once I am happy with the change. May they stay here for a long time!

[Nitrodaze]

Yeah but at Monaco the only reason Rosberg won was because of the team making a pit stop blunder. Do you think for a second Rosberg would have given Hamilton the lead back if he had come out in second place? Not on your life. I think Hamilton should have gone tough luck Nico and continued on. It would have leveled things out at least win wise.

I am not sure why you chaps keep going on about Monaco 2014. Hamilton won the drivers title in the end, hence it is water under the bridge as far as he is concerned. You have to let it go. He has also won the 2015 title, hence it would have been childish for him to spoil Rosberg's chance of putting some gap between himself and Vettel for the 2nd place spot. It would have been quite damaging to Hamilton's image if he had done that. We would been talking about what a selfish guy he was on this forum.
The truth is Hamilton had more to lose than gain from stealing the win from Rosberg at Mexico. It is really pointless.

[Zico]

I am not sure why you chaps keep going on about Monaco 2014. Hamilton won the drivers title in the end, hence it is water under the bridge as far as he is concerned. You have to let it go. He has also won the 2015 title, hence it would have been childish for him to spoil Rosberg's chance of putting some gap between himself and Vettel for the 2nd place spot. It would have been quite damaging to Hamilton's image if he had done that. We would been talking about what a selfish guy he was on this forum.
The truth is Hamilton had more to lose than gain from stealing the win from Rosberg at Mexico. It is really pointless.

Exactly my thoughts also..

[Bagwan]

I am not sure why you chaps keep going on about Monaco 2014. Hamilton won the drivers title in the end, hence it is water under the bridge as far as he is concerned. You have to let it go. He has also won the 2015 title, hence it would have been childish for him to spoil Rosberg's chance of putting some gap between himself and Vettel for the 2nd place spot. It would have been quite damaging to Hamilton's image if he had done that. We would been talking about what a selfish guy he was on this forum.
The truth is Hamilton had more to lose than gain from stealing the win from Rosberg at Mexico. It is really pointless.

But , now Hamilton is saying that Nico was gifted the win by the team , so looks as selfish as if he had stolen it .
PR blunder .