Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2015

[Rallyper]

Once again N.O.T, you demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the sport you so randomly choose to comment about.

You have outlined the universal procedure for a competitor to seek assistance from those following on the stage. This procedure is there ostensibly for when an incident occurs in a remote area and the competitors understand their obligations.

Not everything that occurs on an event, or that a competitor will do, or should do, is written in rules which you can access.

In supporting documentation there will be locations of checkpoints, radio points, marshal points and those manned with medics. There will be emergency contact numbers in order that a competitor can talk directly with HQ should the need and opportunity arise. And it would be most unusual on any event, regardless of status, for the organization not to prefer direct communication as it is more accurate and more speedy. And this will no doubt have been conveyed to all competitors.

This car came to grief in a spectator area where presumably there was a level of assistance. They weren't initially concerned about their wellbeing so they activated the 'OK' and joined the spectators. When it was apparent that the driver was possibly concussed, or worse, they activated the SOS and talked directly with the Chief Medical Officer.
This was ABSOLUTELY the correct thing to do, and avoided the need for them to stop the rally unnecessarily. That call should have come from HQ.

It doesn't matter the status of the event or how many millions are being spent. When a life is at stake swift action is called for.

I thought you were a medical researcher of some description. One would have thought anyone so engaged would know that when head trauma is suspected one does not recommend an Aspirin and 'put the feet up'.

But how hard is it to make a combination by also stopping next car according to rules? How would they have done if they where on a remote place? Just called the Chief Medical Officer or stopped next competitor?

[Mirek]

But how hard is it to make a combination by also stopping next car according to rules? How would they have done if they where on a remote place? Just called the Chief Medical Officer or stopped next competitor?

Why do You guys still repeat that it's not according to the rules to speak directly with HQ. It's perfectly allowed to do so and it's completely irrelevant how the crew contacted the HQ when a working contact was established.

Seriously it's like lawyers speaking loads of bullshit to cover up a a very simple situation. The thing is clear. There was an emergency request from the crew and the HQ refused to send an ambulance.

[AL14]

Is Bertelli a pampered rich guy with no place in WRC? Yes

Has Bertelli followed the rules perfectly? Let's say he doesn't...

Does he deserve to die for that?
I don't think so.

Refusing an ambulance requested not only by him but from a paramedic after a stupid diagnosis via phone is just wrong, no matter the rules. You stop the stage and make the ambulance go.

Then you ask Bertelli loads of money cause he didnt follow the rules, he has enough money to pay it. You become richer and show your rally is a safe rally. It's a win win situation.

[MJW]

Is Bertelli a pampered rich guy with no place in WRC? Yes

Has Bertelli followed the rules perfectly? Let's say he doesn't...

Does he deserve to die for that?
I don't think so.

Refusing an ambulance requested not only by him but from a paramedic after a stupid diagnosis via phone is just wrong, no matter the rules. You stop the stage and make the ambulance go.

Then you ask Bertelli loads of money cause he didnt follow the rules, he has enough money to pay it. You become richer and show your rally is a safe rally. It's a win win situation.

What criteria do you use to say Bertelli has no place in WRC?

[tommeke_B]

http://uk.rallydeportugal.pt/content...&eid=1200&bl=1

... So the only thing that was damaged is his ego.

[N.O.T]

Seriously it's like lawyers speaking loads of bullshit to cover up a a very simple situation. The thing is clear. There was an emergency request from the crew and the HQ refused to send an ambulance.

because obviously there was no need for one... if bertelli disagreed with what a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL told him he could have stopped the stage himself.... he did not do it, so everything is ok.

[N.O.T]

http://uk.rallydeportugal.pt/content...&eid=1200&bl=1

... So the only thing that was damaged is his ego.

simple and to the point... no need for an ambulance, no problem.

[N.O.T]

What criteria do you use to say Bertelli has no place in WRC?

driving skills.. too many crashes, and too slow.

[rayh_mx]

I would love to know the protocol used by the doctor who was consulted to know that the condition of a person who is involved in a car accident in competition or daily basis to determine that Bertelli's symptoms was for

a) No eating
b) not having slept
c) Possible hyperglycemia
d) Martinis hungover from yesterday party
e) All of the above

Or maybe they have a crystal ball in true gypsy style and guessed what was confirmed in the hospital

In addition Bernacchini neither Bertelli they claimed in his letter that the SS stopped, asked medical care were denied, and this can be reached by air

[N.O.T]

In addition Bernacchini neither Bertelli they claimed in his letter that the SS stopped, asked medical care were denied, and this can be reached by air

still the stage must stop.... you cannot run the rally with the medical helicopter occupied in case it is needed for another competitor.