74th PZM Rally Poland

[Simmi]

I guess the effort you need to put in to have an authentic rally experience is waaaay more than most other motorsports, let alone other sports. That gamer or esports fan is going to have to go way out of their comfort zone to visit the Welsh forests for example.

That's also the reason teams often struggle to get sponsors. It's pretty difficult to get any kind of in-event VIP experience compared to hosting clients at a race circuit or even WRX track.

[jparker]

I wouldn't mind if Rally Poland was dropped and replaced with Rally New Zealand as a second fast gravel rally.

Is that the goal of this discussion? Discredit rally Poland in favor of New Zeland?
Yes, rally poland has safety issues, but they are not much different from any rally. How many pictures of "idiots" we have in previous discussions? A lot. Why we had dead person at Monte Carlo? Because of good safety? This plot against Rally Poland is complete b****t.

[Mirek]

How many times in the last twenty years did a truck go on stage against the competitor? Maybe never until this weekend? If that's not a major safety fuck up what is?

[CoyoteVillagra]

Some press photos in high resolution

[sonnybobiche]

How many times in the last twenty years did a truck go on stage against the competitor? Maybe never until this weekend? If that's not a major safety fuck up what is?

I mean, that's one lunatic fire truck driver. I'm not sure how the rally organizers could have reasonably predicted and avoided that situation. Seems like it could happen anywhere, given a sufficiently silly person at the wheel. Don't think it counts as evidence of a systematic failure at rally poland. It was a major fuck up, for sure, though.

[jparker]

How many times in the last twenty years did a truck go on stage against the competitor? Maybe never until this weekend? If that's not a major safety fuck up what is?

From the video we can't say.
Maybe fire truck driver wanted to just pass and park. I can't imagine driver being so retarded to drive against racing cars.
In any case, do you see this incident as more significant then the death in MC?
How many people called for scrapping it?
Dual standards, that's what you guys are doing here.

[AnttiL]

Is that the goal of this discussion? Discredit rally Poland in favor of New Zeland?

My point was just that we'd replace a fast gravel rally with a fast gravel rally, and I knew NZ was being planned for a comeback.

[KKS]

Time differences on PS are always very small. Road position difference between 4th or 6th on the road is probably negligible, but on gravel rallies there will always be huge difference between 1st and 3rd+.

That's why I find it outrageous that such an important point is not clearly defined in the rules... and even more outrageous that teams don't seem to complain loud about it. That said as far as I can see Poland is the first rally of the year where a Rally2 driver didn't go before "normal" drivers.

Poland was a first rally with just one rally2 driver and huge "normal" drivers.
So it's very easy to calculate.
If we have a 30 min regroup it can put rally2 driver ahead only if 7 "normal" drivers left
If regroup 45 min - 11 drivers.

[Mirek]

I mean, that's one lunatic fire truck driver. I'm not sure how the rally organizers could have reasonably predicted and avoided that situation. Seems like it could happen anywhere, given a sufficiently silly person at the wheel. Don't think it counts as evidence of a systematic failure at rally poland. It was a major fuck up, for sure, though.

You have obviously no idea how organization of such event works. The fire truck was part of the event emergency system and went there on someone's order. I'm sorry but such situation would mean serious consequences for the organization even on second league national level and is competely unacceptable on WRC level.

In any case, do you see this incident as more significant then the death in MC?

Yes, I do because this situation is a system failure while some spectator standing wrong is not always such case. I don't bash that much the spectator safety because I know how extremely difficult it is with spectators. You know in my country we have maybe the strcictest spectator regulation in Europe and still we had number of deadly accidents which were nearly in all cases caused by the spectators themselves because they simply ignored the organization.

[rallyfun]

those idiots from estonia are behind all this sh*t