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7th May 2016, 03:41 #1
2014 Red Bull Statistics:
Qualifying: Ricciardo 12 - 7
Race finish: Ricciardo 11 - 3
Laps ahead: Ricciardo 483 - 448
Points: Ricciardo 238 - 167
Even accounting for reliability and racing incidents that isn't really that close.
Be that as it may, that would put Ricciardo ahead of Raikkonen on current form, well ahead of Webber when he was Vettel's team-mate (Mark admits this).
He beat the reigning 4-time World Champion in the same car, which was not a championship winning machine.
Sometimes I think you believe that no one is better than Vettel, and create your reasoning from there.
For the record, Ricciardo's 2016 results:
Australia: 4th
Bahrain: 4th
China: 4th (after getting a puncture when leading, then dropping back to 17th)
Russia: 11th (after Turn 2 incident that wrecked his race)
There is no other meaningful comparison between Ricciardo and Vettel in the same car, bad season or not.
Kimi Raikkonen hasn't driven a great race since 2013 when Grosjean was his team-mate.
He is easily the most overrated and overpaid driver on the grid.
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7th May 2016, 08:10 #2
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And let's not forget Singapore qualifying where Vettel came over the radio to the pitwall apologising for yet another botched qualifying lap, stating that every time he tries to push he loses it. That was well into the second half of the season at that point, you'd think Vettel would have been used to the new car characteristics by then lol!
Ass handed might be the wrong description, perhaps humiliated by Danny would be more apt!
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8th May 2016, 15:44 #3
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AS I said, it was a bad season and in no way comparaböe to how Vettel drove in 2013 and again 2015. It seems people look only at the points and not how it came about. In that regard Lewis was humiliated by Button in 2011 and lets not forget that over the entire three years Button and Hamilton were at McLaren, Button scored more points too. Boy, that guy must be hopeless...
как могу я знать что я думаю, пока не слушал что я говорю
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9th May 2016, 12:04 #4
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Hamilton outscored Button 2/3 years they were teammates together. And Hamilton has won a race with every car he has driven in F1, so clearly not as useless as Vettel. Vettel had the second best car on the grid in 2014 and still couldn't win a race while his teammate won 3. But yes, 2011 was a whopper for Lewis considering his very high standards but at least he had the courage to stay and fight the next year, to come back and beat Button. That showed character, unlike Vettel who just tucked tail and ran whimpering to Ferrari rather than facing up to the challenge of taking on the faster Ricciardo.
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10th May 2016, 07:07 #5
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That shows how much you know about F1 - the words 'nuff anything' spring to mind. Lewis stayed at McLaren because he had nowhere else to go. You saw in 2012 how quickly that changed when he took the first offer he got. Vettel had publically stated when he was still at Toro Rosso that the ultimate goal was to get into a Ferrari seat. In 2014 he had an offer and he took it because a performance clause allowed him to accept Ferrari's offer.
What I really laughed loudest about was mentioning Lewis Hamilton and the word character in the same sentence. You can't be serious. The only one with less character is Alonso, and that guy took part in race fixing and blackmailed his team. Granted, Lewis' deliberately lying to the stewards and the press at Melbourne 2009, leaking team telemetry data and leaking details of a confidential meeting in Spa '14 might look a bit pale in comparison to Alonso's list of transgressions, but attesting him character is a bit rich, especially when you say a man with one more title than Lewis and Multi21 as the only real blot on the vest has none.как могу я знать что я думаю, пока не слушал что я говорю
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10th May 2016, 12:49 #6
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Lets take Vettel's transgressions and, actually, there have been many, it amazes me how blinkered you are. But since you mentioned it, lets take Multi21. Vettel had no problem threatening his own team RBR with legal action when he sent them a solicitors letter in the aftermath of Multi21. That shows him to have less character than Alonso. At least in Alonso's case, he actually was at war with his own team at that time. Vettel, on the other hand, had it nice and cushy. And as soon as it gets a little rough, of course, he throws the toys out of the pram and threatens his team that had brought him so much success.
You know, I'll be the first person to state that Lewis's past is less than rosy. But the thing I admire most about him is always his ability to come out and say that he was wrong and made a mistake. Taking the telemetry data leak (you'd swear he had secretly sold TBs of data to a rival), or Melbourne 2009. He came out and took ownership of his mistakes and carried on. That is what real character is, it's admitting when you make your mistakes because, at the end of the day, we will all screw up from time to time. Character is not wetting diapers and calling a solicitor like Vettel did. As for Spa 14, whether it was confidential or not, he did what he had to do to put a cheat in his place. I've personally no issue with this. He played a cheat at his own game and then used that edge to obliterate Rosberg for the remainder of the year.
I've never witnessed Vettel admit when he did wrong. Take Turkey 2010 where he was clearly wrong and didn't admit it. Narain Karthikeyan in Malaysia 2012 where your boy had such character that he showed a fellow driver the finger after Vettel himself cut acrosss Karthikeyan and caused a collision., Kvyat this year in China, which was just a racing incident, and then tries to bully Kvyat in the aftermath. In none of these situations, or any other which I may have forgotten about, have I ever seen Vettel admit fault and he definitely hasn't shown character in any of them. All these just point to a person whom just likes to get things the easy way and always has done. That's why he left RBR, not because it was his dream to go to Ferrari, he could have gone to Ferrari any time he wanted. He just wanted life the easy way again and not have to face Danny, which exactly sums up his F1 tenure to date. Easy!
I'll give him credit for what he has achieved in Ferrari last year. It was the first time he nearly impressed me. Given that, I'm actually not sure how much of that was him being great, or simply looking great beside a very average and over-rated Kimi Raikkonen. Either way, Ricciardo still whipped his ass in a straight fight.
There's no doubting Vettel is a fantastic driver, although definitely not near the top of the current crop, but he's also a whiny little bitch!Last edited by The Black Knight; 10th May 2016 at 13:02.
And now he is competing in Rallye Český Krumlov, the second round of Czech rally championship, but he is only 9th overall, with a huge time loss:...
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