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3rd March 2014, 18:33 #41
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Re: Situation in Ukraine
Originally Posted by Garry Walker"Old roats am jake mit goats."
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3rd March 2014, 21:50 #42
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Re: Situation in Ukraine
Originally Posted by Starter
We are ever grateful for your help just like I would hope you are grateful for ours. This has nothing to do with 73 years ago though and I'm sure people are sick of the we won the war crap by now. It's just that sort of mentality that backs up shallow stereotypes and I don't want that for my American friends that I respect immensely..
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3rd March 2014, 22:01 #43
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Re: Situation in Ukraine
Originally Posted by henners88
Going to war it perhaps the ultimate demonstration of the broken window fallacy. Sure you increase production and it does act as a major stimulus to an economy but the opportunity cost of war is also massive.
In fact, it might have made sense for Britain to avoid WW1 for precisely the same reason.
I'm pretty sure that most nations in this current crisis don't want to go to war either. The problem is though that as it stands, Russia is demanding the surrender of Ukraine forces in Crimea. That implies that Russia already has gone to war even without a single shot being fired.The Old Republic was a stupidly run organisation which deserved to be taken over. All Hail Palpatine!
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Re: Situation in Ukraine
Originally Posted by henners88"Old roats am jake mit goats."
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4th March 2014, 05:19 #45
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I have no idea what all the hoopla is about. This is a EURO deal and Obama bless his heart is not going to raise a hand. You guys are sucking on the gas pipe so you will do nothing. So the Ukraine returns to russia. Maybe that is a good deal. I don't much care for Obama but he is doing very well so far on this deal. Fcuking John McCain's head may blow off over this deal ha ha. You guys have to figure out where to draw the line not us. We will help you screw over the ruble if you want to but I doubt that because you have no gas without Putin. So just give it up and turn on the heater. I will take one of the women if that will help
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Re: Situation in Ukraine
Originally Posted by RoamyUnited in diversity !!!
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4th March 2014, 07:54 #47
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Re: Situation in Ukraine
Originally Posted by Starter
Anyway back on topic, I don't feel Russia want a war any more than we do. We seem to have this perception that Russians are war mongers, when in reality they are totally the opposite. I just hope a peaceful resolution can be found in this latest flashpoint..
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4th March 2014, 09:42 #48
Re: Situation in Ukraine
Originally Posted by donKey jote
Your point about the Swoboda is spot on, viz the first line of the Wiki entry on the organisation. 'The party was founded in 1991 as the Social-National Party of Ukraine' .
Whichever way you place 'national' and 'social' in a phrase it still equals the same thing! As Dr Johnson said 'there is no determining the precedence between a louse and a flea.
Having a fascist-run state on your doorstep is still a pretty emotive issue for Russians.Kris Meeke got fired -PSG so terrified they quit!
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Re: Situation in Ukraine
You think government ministers would have learned by now that you don't walk into No.10 with uncovered documents as the press outside *will* be able to read them*. Anyway it turns out that the UK position is that we aren't prepared to do anything, even sanctions.
*It's also a sure fire way to deliberately leak information without making any official statement.Please 'like' our facebook page http://www.facebook.com/motorsportforums
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Re: Situation in Ukraine
Originally Posted by Roamy
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/modest-pr ... 25357.html
Verleger argues that the millions of barrels of oil in SPR are far beyond any needed reserve, given the rapid increase in U.S. production. And selling the oil at around $100 a barrel would add about $10 billion to U.S. revenues in fiscal year 2015.
The Russians, of course, could counter with higher prices for natural gas shipped to Western Europe or by threatening to cut off natural gas shipments altogether. Western Europe's dependence on Russian natural gas supplies -- most of which flow through pipelines in Ukraine -- has visibly muted the eurozone's response to Russia's military move into the Crimea. But cutting back on or cutting off natural gas supplies to Europe only makes Russia's revenue problems worse.
Without energy revenues, the country's finances would be in a shambles. The ruble has already touched a five-year low against the dollar, making Russia's financial difficulties that much worse.
At the rate of around 200 million barrels a year, the United States could continue to pump crude into global markets for more than three years. The Russian economy could not stand the pain, which may bring it to the bargaining table, or it may cause Putin to behave like a cornered wolf. Flooding the crude market is not risk-free, but it probably deserves a thorough examination and public debate.
- via Yahoo Finance, 4th Mar 2013
Briliant!
Flood the market with cheap oil and gas - Russia finds that the money it doesn't get from oil and gas reserves cripples its economy - America wins by drawing down some of its debt or at very least, helping the budget deficit - cheaper pump prices.
This is the ultimate four-way play. Not even Eric Bruntlett of the Phillies could pull off that one.The Old Republic was a stupidly run organisation which deserved to be taken over. All Hail Palpatine!
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