Federal Shutdown

[airshifter]

I'm not for a second thinking Obama is the one looking for compromise, it's just that he happens to be the prize pig in charge of this exercise in snidery. There honestly is no difference between the two parties and this Congress merely serves as further proof. Both sides have pretty well much been willfully negligent for quite some time now, yet the American people still vote for them for some bizarre reason.

I don't think either party is really looking for compromise, and the number of politicians really looking at long term solutions is also very few IMO. There is plenty of blame to go around and really they are doing nothing but further screwing the younger generations. We need people that have the backbone to look at facts and start dealing with the real situation.

Obamacare IMO is just one of many major issues that needs a solution other than promising something we can't fund. We need to either cut a lot of programs, raise a lot of tax money, or find a middle ground.


The posturing going on right now is beyond embarrassing. They went out of their way to provide park personnel to try to keep WWII vets out of the WWII memorial.... a memorial that is normally open even when not staffed. As a note, some US parks operate at a slight profit, but they still just close them all. How stupid is that?


I personally think we should lock them in without pay until they balance the budget, regardless of what method they use. And though the Republicans have been idiots, the Democrats have been just as great of idiots in this situation. Quite a few things would have been funded without question, but both parties are taking on a no negotiation, no compromise attitude. My 14 year old shakes her head at the stupidity we are seeing right now.

[Starter]

Congress 112 was officially the least productive Congress ever in terms of legislation passed. Congress 113 is not markedly different.

Many would say that is not necessarily a bad thing.

Wall St can not be held to account because they pretty well much own both political parties and have done for years. It's pretty well much even impossible to negotiate to increase taxation by even a tiny bit because of the Taxpayer Protection Pledge.

I'm not for a second thinking Obama is the one looking for compromise, it's just that he happens to be the prize pig in charge of this exercise in snidery. There honestly is no difference between the two parties and this Congress merely serves as further proof. Both sides have pretty well much been willfully negligent for quite some time now, yet the American people still vote for them for some bizarre reason.

You have clearly seen the truth here. It's much as I stated earlier in this thread. There is very little to choose from between both parties. They have both bamboozled people into a war. The left (Democrats) and the right (Republicans) have convinced many that their position is correct and the opposition are evil people intent on destroying "The American Way of Life". So long as their followers continue to believe this little will be done to correct the issues. They will expend their energies in blaming the other side. And, of course, continue to elect their favorite political "hero" who is facing down the other side. The only people who win here are the incumbent politicians.

The truth is something different. Both of our political parties share equal blame in getting us to the current state. It didn't happen overnight and, even with an honest push to correct things (not likely), would take years to correct. The start would be for a majority of citizens to understand that both political parties have done them ill and begin to elect people who are not beholden to one party or the other. I rate this last possibility as less than that of enough cows landing on the moon to start a dairy.

[anthonyvop]

Shutting down the government is hurting the country, not hyperbole.

It is?

How so?

After the last Shutdown the economy actually improved and unemployment went down.
Aside from government employees who are inconsequential to the argument who is actually suffering?

BTW Closings by the Obama administration that are 100% political like National parks and monuments don't count.

[anthonyvop]

The problem is the media who is on their knees servicing the democrats while the Republicans are actually passing budgets and offering compromise.

[Gregor-y]

And the crazy train has left the station. 800,000 workers are inconsequential, national parks, contractors, regulatory agencies, and a litany of services and support functions aren't even mentioned. Thanks for proving my point about the trend of conservative posting as the shutdown continues.

[Rollo]

The problem is the media who is on their knees servicing the democrats while the Republicans are actually passing budgets and offering compromise.

Link please.

[Rollo]

You have clearly seen the truth here. It's much as I stated earlier in this thread. There is very little to choose from between both parties. They have both bamboozled people into a war. The left (Democrats) and the right (Republicans) have convinced many that their position is correct and the opposition are evil people intent on destroying "The American Way of Life". So long as their followers continue to believe this little will be done to correct the issues. They will expend their energies in blaming the other side. And, of course, continue to elect their favorite political "hero" who is facing down the other side. The only people who win here are the incumbent politicians.

Suppose Romney had been president. He wouldn't have been faced with this problem, he would have been faced with a similar problem but with the hostilities occurring in the other house. Also, he wouldn't have introduced legislation like this which would have caused utter gridlock but it might have been over some other piece of legislation (most likely the defunding of some other program).

[Starter]

Suppose Romney had been president. He wouldn't have been faced with this problem, he would have been faced with a similar problem but with the hostilities occurring in the other house. Also, he wouldn't have introduced legislation like this which would have caused utter gridlock but it might have been over some other piece of legislation (most likely the defunding of some other program).

Can't argue with that. As I said, you have a clear picture.

[Spafranco]

Is this a first? A government going on strike!

Nope, it was done in the '90s too.

it sure did happen in the 90's. I'll never forget a former sister-in-law was to have a meeting with the IRS. Meeting being a very loose word. She was to go the the office at 9AM with all her returns and other items Claims were over one million. Got there and told the office was closed. I believe that day was all there was of the shutdown. She did not have to appear again. Talk about luck.

[Spafranco]

If this dog & pony show drags on until the debt ceiling HAS to be addressed, the long term consequences to the United States and the global financial markets are going to be very real. If the U.S. defaults on its debt for the first time in history, you can mark that as the day when this republic officially entered its period of decline.

The House could be done with this utter foolishness in a few minutes if Boehner would allow the up or down vote on the clean CR that most (sane) members of the House want. But he will not.

One poster at the beginning of the thread was asking how this could happen when the people doing it were not voted in. Of course he was pounced upon by the usual suspects. They knew what the poster meant. For four years this president has had to suffer the indignity of the opposition. Boehner of the permanent tan and tears along with the chinless MacConnell have done their best to impede everything and anything.
They and their tea party cronies with their lunatic ideas and ignorance of what the majority in the world see vis-a -vie Global warming, never was there WMD's created a war through subterfuge, outed a CIA agent, tried to have a bill passed by rushing to the hospital to get a bill signed. Had an AJ that was a complete and utter disgrace lining up Federal Judges to replace them with
their own cronies.
They allowed torture and if you are brave enough to go look at how we are now perceived by some that were once our allies. Jag Warrior,you are correct. This is just the beginning of a slow but assured decline.