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5th June 2013, 20:01 #11
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Equality doesn't just mean the right to have everything go well.
Equality also means the right to fail.
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5th June 2013, 20:11 #12
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Originally Posted by airshifter
. I stress the individual part of that statement, since "winning" and "losing" for many people are defined by expectations of society and not their true personal desires. As an example I know people who make very little money but are winners in my book and their own. I know very wealthy people that are losers in every sense of the word.
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5th June 2013, 20:53 #13
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Originally Posted by ioan
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As for freedom, I honestly think it should be restricted for some of us. The simple thought of some public figures moving (too)freely among us makes me feel unconfortable.
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5th June 2013, 22:39 #14
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Freedom and equality are simply different concepts. Let's take a simplistic example.
A teacher has taken a group of 10 year olds down to a pebble beach.
The teacher says "You are allowed to throw stones into the sea"
The kids are now free to throw stones into the sea
But they are not free to throw them at each other (this presupposes the teacher has absoluteauthority which the kids accept)
The kids don't have to throw a stone - they are free not to.
Each of the kids has an equal opportunity to throw a stone (This presupposes they are all physically normal and know how to throw.
Those who have chosen to throw a stone do so.
Now, let's ask the question "Did they all throw the stones equally far?"
The answer will be "No"
So, in spite of the feedom and equality of opportunity they have been given, the result is not equality.
If the objective was to achieve equality, the teacher would have to establish the distance the least able child can throw a stone - let's assume it is 5.5 metres)
The teacher would then have to order the children to throw their stones exactly 5 metres (this presupposes the children can judge the distance they can throw accurately)
We now have three concepts: freedom of choice, equality of opportunity and equality of achievement. And these are almost mutually exclusive. Only almost as in a random world, mathematically it is possible that a circumstance can occur where all three can occur together.
In my pebbles case, all the children have equality of opportunity, they could exercise their freedom by choosing to throw a stone, and they could further exercise their freedomby choosingto throw their stones 5 metres.
In a real world, absolute freedom of choice cannot be allowed to exist as society (or the government) must control some choices for the benefit of society as a whole. We can strive to offer equality of opportunity inlimited fields. But to have equality of outcome, this can only be done by curtailing people's freedom to achieve more than the lowest can achieve.
Confused? So am I - even with a highly simplistic example!Duncan Rollo
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5th June 2013, 23:50 #15
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Originally Posted by D-Type
Governance itself arises out of a social compact, which is either based on maintained power and or the common interest of society and the common rights of man; and conversely the reasonable expectations which derives from those common interests and rights.
I'm also careful to draw the distinction between Governance and the Government: the former which is a concept, the latter which is a thing. Governance always happens irrespective of whether or not there is a "government" which handles it.The Old Republic was a stupidly run organisation which deserved to be taken over. All Hail Palpatine!
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6th June 2013, 02:59 #16
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Originally Posted by D-Type"Old roats am jake mit goats."
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6th June 2013, 04:27 #17
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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
If you destroyed everything you touch you couldn't post as your computer would be broken. And accept it or not, but you have "relationships" of sorts here in this forum. Hell none of us can much get along with family!
If you don't much care about money or wealth, what is it you want and don't have? Chances are you can find it if you really want it.
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6th June 2013, 07:33 #18
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Originally Posted by airshifter
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Then posting on a forum is more of a communication. When I post on a forum I don't have the guarantee that somebody would read that. Most of the times people don't get what I'm talking about and my only friend left the forum a few years ago.
Originally Posted by airshifter
Originally Posted by airshifter
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6th June 2013, 09:48 #19
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Originally Posted by D-Type
Then who cares how far I throw the pebble as long as I was able to exceed the limit established by a norm?
P.S. Love the example with throwing pebbles. Just reopened some old wounds. In the elementary school sports hours we had to throw an annoying ball of "oina" ( that's a national sport although I never heared of somebody playing it ) and of course there was a limit of how far we should throw it. And I ( the eternal loser, remember? ) was never able to do it. Funny thing, I met accidentally an old school colleague who's greek and the first thing she remembered was our fight ( she was also a loser but at least she's fine now) to exceed that bloody line.
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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
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Originally Posted by gadjo_diloLlibertat
Nice to see that Paddon has good pace with i20 against other cars and drivers..
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