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    Nico and Sutil.

    As for Perez he did well till he hit Kimi, he went for a gap that was already closing, and it wasn't Kimi's fault, even his justification after the race was correct. Perez slid out of that corner several times trying to find a way, this was coming for anyone trying to find a easy way around a reasonably fast car such as Kimi's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P3ws
    Kimi had a line in his breaking and he is suppose to change it while breaking hard? How you suppose he do that and still make the chicane?
    He used the same line he used laps before. Giving checo the hint, he just did not get it.
    Watch the in camera video available in another thread and you'll see kimmi was already in the middle of the road trying to keep Perez behind (the natural line for that turn is to stay wide to the right to hit the apex running), he then sharply moved to the left when he saw perez making his move, effectively not giving him any room. Not saying Perez wasn't over optimistic, I think he was, but Raikonnen had as much fault as Perez did in this collision.
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    Rosberg was good but he was not challenged at all. However, he did not put a wheel wrong all day and that should count for something. For me, Sutil was the best driver, nice and smooth moves around the casino. Perez made some exciting passes. Loved watching Hamilton chase Webber and his "I'm just trying to make a pass, man" comment on the radio!
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    Quote Originally Posted by neophyte
    Watch the in camera video available in another thread and you'll see kimmi was already in the middle of the road trying to keep Perez behind (the natural line for that turn is to stay wide to the right to hit the apex running), he then sharply moved to the left when he saw perez making his move, effectively not giving him any room. Not saying Perez wasn't over optimistic, I think he was, but Raikonnen had as much fault as Perez did in this collision.
    If you're over optimistic, it's your fault. Kimi is the fairest driver on the grid, ask Hamilton, Alonso etc. Perez needs to calm down and concentrate on finishing the races. Mind you that he is actually beating Button consistently and without these maneuvers he would make a name for himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_max2k2
    Nico and Sutil.

    As for Perez he did well till he hit Kimi, he went for a gap that was already closing, and it wasn't Kimi's fault, even his justification after the race was correct. Perez slid out of that corner several times trying to find a way, this was coming for anyone trying to find a easy way around a reasonably fast car such as Kimi's.
    Not Kimi's fault, but it was stupid with the championship at stake.

    Kimi was too slow, Alonso was too slow. That's why they had a Force India and McLaren swarming over them. I didn't see anyone swarming over the back of Sutil and Perez.

    By the way, why is no-one questioning Kimi and Alonso performances? Absolutely appalling to be outdriven by the likes of Sutil and Perez in much slower cars. This is Monaco which is a true drivers circuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faster69
    Not Kimi's fault, but it was stupid with the championship at stake.

    Kimi was too slow, Alonso was too slow. That's why they had a Force India and McLaren swarming over them. I didn't see anyone swarming over the back of Sutil and Perez.

    By the way, why is no-one questioning Kimi and Alonso performances? Absolutely appalling to be outdriven by the likes of Sutil and Perez in much slower cars. This is Monaco which is a true drivers circuit.
    Were Alonso and Kimi pushing as much as they could and would their initial strategy allow them to? Also were they trying to burn up their tyres like Perez on their chosen strategy? You say it is appalling their were out driven but they finished the race ahead of Sergio and scored more points than him. Both are previous Monaco winners and for me they were not out driven at all. Not even close. Kimi's last stint after his unplanned pitstop showed he could push in his Lotus but maybe it wasn't the statgey used for the entire race. I get the impression you are new to all this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henners88
    Were Alonso and Kimi pushing as much as they could and would their initial strategy allow them to? Also were they trying to burn up their tyres like Perez on their chosen strategy? You say it is appalling their were out driven but they finished the race ahead of Sergio and scored more points than him. Both are previous Monaco winners and for me they were not out driven at all. Not even close. Kimi's last stint after his unplanned pitstop showed he could push in his Lotus but maybe it wasn't the statgey used for the entire race. I get the impression you are new to all this.
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    Y'know, I really wish you would post more often.
    I can't get enough of your reasoned and intelligent insight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by henners88
    I get the impression you are new to all this.
    This. And amazingly "in the know". Just another one i had to add to my ignore list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henners88
    Were Alonso and Kimi pushing as much as they could and would their initial strategy allow them to?
    They all had similar strategies. They couldn't get more speed otherwise they would have. Tyre wear was a non-issue. Look what Rosberg could do. Look what Vettel could do. Their tyres were fine. Poor showing from the former world champions.

    Also were they trying to burn up their tyres like Perez on their chosen strategy? You say it is appalling their were out driven but they finished the race ahead of Sergio and scored more points than him. Both are previous Monaco winners and for me they were not out driven at all. Not even close. Kimi's last stint after his unplanned pitstop showed he could push in his Lotus but maybe it wasn't the statgey used for the entire race. I get the impression you are new to all this.
    They only finished ahead of Perez because his suspension or whatever broke. Perez was much quicker than Alonso, Kimi and Button. Alonso couldn't even keep Sutil in a Force India behind him.

    I don't understand the fuss about what Kimi did at the end of the race. He was on brand new tyres with nothing to lose. He was passing guys on old tyres. Who cares.

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