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9th March 2012, 10:54 #131
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Originally Posted by BDunnell
Speaking about wars, I tend to think most wars in 20th and 21st centuries were started based on perfectly rational thinking, rather than beliefs in supernatural forces. More often than not that kind of thinking let the political and military leaders down badly. Stalin thought he would easily crush Finland in 1939. Wrong. Britain and France thought they would easily contain Hitler in the same year. They were wrong. Hitler planned to defeat the Soviet Union in one campaign. Things went wrong for him. The U.S. thought Saddam had WMD (he didn't) and was a threat to neighbors (he wasn't after his 1991 defeat). The rest of the reasons that led the U.S. to the war in Iraq were perfectly rational. To sum it up, the "fact and reason" type of thinking performed slightly less than brilliantly. I believe it needs some improvement.
Continuing the topic, you might want to allocate some 90 minutes of your time and watch a BBC movie "In the Loop" that sheds some ironic light on the decision making process regarding going to war in the UK and the U.S.Llibertat
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9th March 2012, 10:57 #132
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Originally Posted by Robinho
To the unargumentable values we can always ask a tumultous "why not?" as an expression of our freedom.
And let's not forget that each of us have different doses of unadmitable.
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9th March 2012, 11:16 #133
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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz
This type of reasoning is much better, in my opinion, than a leader making a decision based on 'God's will'. That kind of reasoning simply isn't rational and has lead to as much bloodshed, if not more, than 'fact-based' reasoning. Religious extremists have been using their religion as a moral anchor point to justify killing innocent people for centuries. Your kind of thinking needs much more than "some" improvement.Forza Ferrari!!
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9th March 2012, 11:23 #134
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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz
Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz
Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz
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9th March 2012, 11:25 #135
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Originally Posted by HawkmoonLlibertat
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9th March 2012, 11:30 #136
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Originally Posted by BDunnellLlibertat
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9th March 2012, 11:52 #137
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Originally Posted by Alexamateo
My decisions are based on many things just as yours are. My upbringing, my family, experiences I have had whether good or bad. Morality and values I hold. These things are pertinent to me and go to make up who I am and what I 'believe' in. I can make mistakes, learn, feel compassion, hope, love, joy, despair and at no time will I have to go to 2nd hand information handed down by a 1800 year old book.
I find it strange nd a matter of concern that someone will not use all these factors and influences when making a decision and would rather resort to an out of date book instead. When someone says something is 'Gods will' or 'God is on our side' as grounds for making decisions rather than logic, facts and reason, then I get very jumpy.
My apologies if I have offended anyone, it was never my intent. Forgive me for not being clear. Thank you Airshifter and Rollo for your excellent posts, I agree with them completely (well, except for the myopic part )
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Originally Posted by Rudy TamaszForza Ferrari!!
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9th March 2012, 12:37 #139
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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz
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Originally Posted by HawkmoonLlibertat
Nice, there is a reason to go now! didnt have it in plans to be honest
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