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3rd June 2010, 15:24 #11
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Originally Posted by Wilf
Huh? Did I miss something? I would love for this to be true, but I haven't seen any announcement that Road America is on the schedule for next year.
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3rd June 2010, 16:33 #12
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Originally Posted by DBell
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3rd June 2010, 19:08 #13
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The Fact is Milwaukee's promoters never paid the IRL or NASCAR for their races there a year or so ago. The IRL didn't reject Milwaukee, they just cannot afford to race for free. Furthermore, the idiots running the fairgrounds have stuck their noses into that mess.
If ovals are not on the IRL sched, that is a shame, but everything isn't what it seems. Also, for anyone to say Richmond was worth it attendance wise wasn't really looking at the acres of empty grandstands. It may have had more people, but it wasn't a successful event. Texas is successful. Chicagoland or Kansas will have to draw on their on merits. The point is, those who want the IRL to stay with an oval component also have to realize you don't want to race before empty grandstands. Sponsors want to put money into races where it appears there are fans. Sponsors don't want to tune in to the race they are helping bring to the public, and realizing the public has not shown up.
Oval racing is part of the history of the IRL, but the fans have to show up and support the events. People can knock street races all they like, artistically they are not always great races, BUT if 70000 people pay good money at the site to watch them, then you have to look at that seriously and understand they have a product there. You may not like it, but people are PAYING THEIR DOLLARS TO WATCH. If 20000 are sitting in the stands at Kansas because they don't HAVE To be forced to take IRL tickets to get their NASCAR tickets, then you are getting 20000 hardcore fans to be sure, but it doesn't look good and isn't making money for anyone.
The fact is, I want ovals to be part of the IRL, but if they are all cookie cutter foot to the floor tracks, then you might as well give up. Flat ovals put on the best show for this type of race car. New Hampshire, Phoenix, Gateway and Milwaukee should be the types of tracks kept around..."Water for my horses, beer for my men and mud for my turtle".
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3rd June 2010, 20:14 #14
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Originally Posted by anthonyvopGod bless the whole World.
\"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.\"
President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953
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3rd June 2010, 20:20 #15
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Originally Posted by PA Rick
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3rd June 2010, 21:12 #16
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Originally Posted by anthonyvop"Water for my horses, beer for my men and mud for my turtle".
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3rd June 2010, 21:26 #17
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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
One day I'll tell you how we planted false info for Robin to steal and claim as his own.
BTW I never wanted to be a household name like Robin. I am more content not being fired from every job I had like Robin.
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3rd June 2010, 22:23 #18
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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
1. Richmond had more fans then Brazil, St. Pete or Edmonton. But its all about "perception" in the Indy Car world, isn't it? Plus you can flat out lie about attendance at street parties and nobody actually knows. The FACT is, that a place like St. Pete only has about 25,000 folks showing up for the race, but that is considered "good" because 40,000 (at a 100,000 seat facility) is "bad". OK.
2. The key word being "appears". Too bad there are so few sponsors putting money into anything Indy Car related. Maybe its because of a sorry ass racing product, helped by numerous lame ass "races" like St. Pete, Long Beach, and now Baltimore.
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3rd June 2010, 22:57 #19
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Originally Posted by Scotty G.
For some companies 25k at St. Pete are worth more than 40K at Richmond.
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4th June 2010, 00:02 #20
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Originally Posted by anthonyvop
As for Robin being fired, Well he works a lot for a guy without a job....."Water for my horses, beer for my men and mud for my turtle".
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