View Poll Results: Who's to blame: Vettel, Webber, both, or is it just a racing incident?
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1st June 2010, 17:53 #91
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Originally Posted by F1boat
At no point does he say "It's completely Vettel's fault" as the title seems to suggest, all he does is say that they pinned too much of the blame on Webber.
This is pisspoor journalism. Tbh Horner hasn't changed his worlds all that much, but the media has changed from "OMFG he's blaming it on Webber!!!! WTF?!?!?!?!" to "OMG LOL now he's blaming it on Vettel like we said he should!l!" when all Horner's done has gone from saying that he believes Webber to be mainly at fault to saying that he thinks it's more along the lines of a 50:50 accident or perhaps even going towards giving Seb a little more of the blame.
Pissweak sensationalist journalism at its best.Rule 1 of the forum, always accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias.I would say that though.
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1st June 2010, 18:21 #92
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Originally Posted by Daniel"I" before "E" except after "C". Weird.
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1st June 2010, 18:45 #93
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Originally Posted by Robinho
It was a tongue in cheek remark against some of the childish claims by some members but perhaps understandable how it can be misunderstood. Sorry.
Too often it's the easy way out to blame bias rather than acknowledge reality
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1st June 2010, 19:12 #94
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Originally Posted by Garry Walker
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1st June 2010, 20:40 #95
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Originally Posted by tintop
if you look carefully in photo 4, you will see vettel has already turned his front wheels away from webber's path to correct the slide
(probably instinctive response to the slide)
at best misleading, and at worst, dishonest.
the only thing silly is how some people view this string of photos as showing the accident is vettel's faultOnly the dead know the end of war. Plato:beer:
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1st June 2010, 22:12 #96
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Originally Posted by RobinhoRule 1 of the forum, always accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias.I would say that though.
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2nd June 2010, 00:00 #97
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http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite/...d&refmodpos=A2
full interviewVERSTAPPEN: ‘If I’d let Sainz past, dad would’ve kicked me in the nuts!’
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2nd June 2010, 00:33 #98
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Originally Posted by DanielWhen in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout
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2nd June 2010, 02:19 #99
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Originally Posted by henners88
THANKS
I Looked again and WHAT DOES IT SHOW??
WEBBER TURNING HIS WHEEL TOWARD VETTEL and then the contact. It also shows that unlike Vettel, Webber had full view of the placement of his car and Vettel, as once he is in front, he can not readily see to the side, not nearly as good as Webber.
This vid shows where vettel turns his wheel slightly towards Webber, then continues straight without contact or even having webber in the view of the camera, then turning his steering away from webber as the contact is made:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elpTV...eature=related
it also shows that webber forced vettel unto the white line and then moved away as though conceding the pass........
the next video at the 8 second mark as Vettel passes, webber moves his steering wheel away from vettel as though moving over, but then stops it, holds it straight as the wheels are becoming interlocked, and then turns the steering into Vettel and then the contact occurs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygMWc...eature=related
And at the 8 second mark, webber can clearly see, unlike Vettel, that the two wheels are becoming interlocked, and then right at the 9-10 second mark, he turns his steering wheel wheel into Seb, and at ten second mark to 11 second mark, the game is over, with tire smoke and all......
I take it all back when I gave ole chopper the benefit of the doubt and said racing incident.
The chopper chopped into the side of Vettel, by actually moving his steering wheel towards Vettel to ensure the contact, contact that Webber knew was likely to happen without any attempt at an evasive manuever......
So I take back my doubts and say:
Face guys, once again,
WEBBER IS A CHEATER CHOPPER , ALWAYS HAS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE
and no amount of sales revenue for Red Cow, will ever change that
Here's to you, Mr. Henners, a toast of the good stuff....but not no red bull....Only the dead know the end of war. Plato:beer:
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2nd June 2010, 03:09 #100
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Originally Posted by markabilly
Webber DID move toward Vettel early then moved back and gave him racing room.
Webber then travelled absolutely straight and held his line. Vettel got nervous and started to push Webber out.
Webber didn't budge.
Vettel pushed Webber further right as his wheels collided with Webber. You can clearly see Webber steer away from Vettel just as it's about to happen but it was too late.
It's really simple. Webber gave space and a lane, Vettel needed to be good enough to travel down that lane then pull it up and take the corner at a tight apex. Others would have done this no problems at all.
Vettel flinched. He got scared and turned into Webber. The entire F1 world see's it this way. The only reason the team don't and are yelling MOVE MOVE is because they want their blonde haired marketing machine to the World Champion.
As Autosport said.... Webbers current purple patch and find of speed is quite inconvenient.Ayrton Senna, Legend. R.I.P.
\"If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver. Because we are competing. We are competing to win. And the main motivation to all of us is to compete for a victory. It is not to come third, fourth, fifth or sixth. I race to win\".
While I realize that the history of Monaco is great, it has been a long while since the place was actually raceable by the likes of F1 cars.
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