Thread: cars in 2011
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25th May 2010, 13:53 #11
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Did the SX4 actually look like a crossover when it entered WRC, did it? I dont think the center of gravity will be the problem....
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25th May 2010, 13:57 #12Originally Posted by JFL
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25th May 2010, 14:00 #13
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Almost nothing on a Wrc car is the same as a roadgoing car, so it's no reason to compare.. If so, Subaru or Mitsubishi would easily win the WRC, many times in a row..
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25th May 2010, 14:18 #14
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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
Don´t play any cars down before building. I can say that for sure, Hummer is not very good base to build S1600T WRC :-) But I dont dare to say it about Mini.Colins Crest = Möldri Mätas
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25th May 2010, 14:20 #15Originally Posted by bluuford
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25th May 2010, 15:00 #16
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The WRC-edition will not be a crossover.. Crossover=Normal car with higher rideheight, due to different suspension, and ****, and maybe som small bodywork change..
Non of the things underneath the bodywork, will be used in a wrc car..Never give up...
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25th May 2010, 15:47 #17
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A Mini crossover is just a marketing trick, it`s a pitty you can`t recognise it your self. It`s actualy a hatcback, just like Ds3 or Fiesta - it`s called a crossover because that`s what sell cars right now, just look which car are high in demand right now (Qashqai, Rav4, Outlander, etc.). There`s as much crossover in it, as a sports coupe in a 2dr Defender.
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25th May 2010, 15:55 #18
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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
There's nothing wrong with the Countryman, and it's not going to be a failure just because it's been called a 'crossover'. To me it seems like a better choice than the regular Mini, but either could be made into a good rally car.
If you're going to comment on shoddy aerodynamics, provide sources. I don't mean to sound insulting but I seriously doubt you have even a slight grasp of automobile aerodynamics because it's a very complicated subject.
Last I checked the regular Mini had a drag coefficient of about 0.33, which is average, and I doubt the Countryman's body is significantly different.
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25th May 2010, 16:00 #19
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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
Just put bigger wheels and higher suspension and you´ve got the change."Reis vas pät pat kaar vas kut"
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25th May 2010, 18:27 #20
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Originally Posted by serial jeff
On the other hand we shouldn't forget front area as the aerodynamics depends on multiplication of drag coefficient and front area. So in the end let's say that if countryman have 0,01 better drag coefficient, it may have some 3% bigger front area and still same aerodynamics.
But in the end such math is a bit pointless since they will destroy drag coefficient anyway by using spoilers and big rear wing. And I also think that "outside" aerodynamics are not that important in rallying because of significantly lower speeds than on circuits. In my opinion the most important aerodynamics in WRC car is inside - air fluid through engine compartment and cooling of brakes, differentials etc.
Logically "normal" Mini looks like better choice than Countryman but since it's very small car there might be problem with good balance. You simply may have problem to fit everything inside in correct order. What I want to say is that with bigger car You can achieve better center of gravity, better weight balance etc. Of course it's always a question of "how much bigger" is better and vice versa.Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump
I admire your will Mirek to argue with the windmills here.
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