Kubica: "BMW were amateurish"

[rohanweb]

Kubica's comments only made him look stupid and I wonder what his current Boss at renault think about him ? idiot

[F1boat]

Why not answer the question rather than launching into one of your typical attacks? In what factual, as opposed to opinion-based, sense does BMW enjoy motorsport superiority over Mercedes? I realise why this is a difficult question for you to answer, being historical, but do try.

Or Renault, for that matter. Let's compare them as engine suppliers and solo teams in F1, why not?

[ioan]

Why not answer the question rather than launching into one of your typical attacks?

I was not going to do a motorsport history lesson to an ignorant.

In what factual, as opposed to opinion-based, sense does BMW enjoy motorsport superiority over Mercedes?

I never claimed that BMW enjoys motorsport superiority over Mercedes, where did you read that?
Please do show me, or just acknowledge that you are making things up, like always. I am curious how will you twist this one because here's what I posted, in plain English:

Especially that the F1 team was made up by people from BMW motorsport an organization with as much pedigree as any other motorsport organization around.

I realise why this is a difficult question for you to answer, being historical, but do try.

It is not difficult at all, I just don't have time to keep motorsport history lesson for people like f1boiat who have no clue about motorsport teams like BMW and besides this Google was free last time I checked.

Also Ben, please don't mix in each and every of my discussions just to try to bash me, it makes you look foolish, just like yesterday and now this one.

[ioan]

Or Renault, for that matter. Let's compare them as engine suppliers and solo teams in F1, why not?

Motorsport is way larger than F1.

Here's for a good start, but it's rather incomplete:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_in_motorsport


Now you support Kubica's view for whatever reason, so please prove me that BMW is an amateurish organization compared to Renault or Mercedes.

Tell me please which team has been accused for asking their driver to crash 2 years ago in Singapore?! Not BMW.

Which team was accused for using Ferrari's stolen plans in 2007? Not BMW.

BMW went about their business in the best way for the team not for only one of their employees and that proves professionalism.

I rest my case.

[havk]

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Looks like he did just that by describing their acts as amateurish he makes them amateurish. Sure you can deny it even if it's in your own post, it's up to you.

He didn't use phrase "BMW is amateruish" so I think it shouldn't be quoted as it change what he meant. Phrase "BMW is amateurish" suggests as he was referring to the team as a whole, while he criticsed them only on one particular matter. I see the diffrence, it's up to you if you don't.

You didn't comment on this:

From Canadian GP to Belgian GP Kubica did 496 laps, Heidfeld 717, while from car presentation to Canadian GP it was 1718 to 1639 respectively. I think it says something about team decisions after Canadian GP.

Looks like Kubica have a point in what he said - are you still accusing him of lying? Cause number of laps done by Nick and Robert after Canadian GP indicates that team was concentrating on Nick.

[ojciec dyrektor]

Based on his comments along the years, based on the way he throws teh toys out of the pram every time he feels that he isn't the center of the attention of his team

Well Ioan, whenever on this forum is a thread about Kubica You criticize him regardless of a subject. Based on what You wrote, maybe it is You who is complexed? Maybe You envy his fame and skills. But don't worry, someday there will be Romanian driver in F1, too.

[tintop]

Could you describe what did you saw? In fact Kubica didn't describe the whole BMW Sauber team as "amateurish", the title of the artice is misleading.

He just said: "When I was the championship leader in 2008, they helped Heidfeld to make up his gap rather than concentrate on me. It was amateurish."

My guess is that: after Kubica's win BMW achieved main aim on the season. They have never believed he could win the title in 2008, the gap between BMW Sauber and McLaren and Ferrari was too big. So they (BMW Sauber) decided to concentrate on next year and besides they were rather more keen on helping Heidfeld than to support Kubica in his weak chances battle for the title. Kubica probably expected team to fully support him for this aim, therefore he was frustrated. It wasn't first time Kubica spoke about this. I found an article from september 2008 (in Polish language) in which he said the same. Also in this article are some statistics about testing. From Canadian GP to Belgian GP Kubica did 496 laps, Heidfeld 717, while from car presentation to Canadian GP it was 1718 to 1639 respectively. I think it says something about team decisions after Canadian GP.

Excellent factual points, don't bother with the troll.

[F1boat]

Motorsport is way larger than F1.

Here's for a good start, but it's rather incomplete:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_in_motorsport


Now you support Kubica's view for whatever reason, so please prove me that BMW is an amateurish organization compared to Renault or Mercedes.

Tell me please which team has been accused for asking their driver to crash 2 years ago in Singapore?! Not BMW.

Which team was accused for using Ferrari's stolen plans in 2007? Not BMW.

BMW went about their business in the best way for the team not for only one of their employees and that proves professionalism.

I rest my case.

And Renault is still racing, while BMW is no more. Renault has two championships, BMW 1 win. Actually, in its strongest year BMW scored less wins than Renault.
And beyond F1. Renault had great rally cars and solid tourer with the Laguna. BMW had only success in touring cars and still are not dominant there, they even don't have the guts to face Audi and Merc in DTM.
BTW, I respect them as an organization and they have both great cars and great success in motorsports. But are they one of the best in motorsports?
NO.

[veeten]

Motorsport is way larger than F1.

But, it's the F1 team that's central to the topic of discussion.

Here's for a good start, but it's rather incomplete:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_in_motorsport

and, here's the complete part.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Sauber

think you could stay within the lines, sir?

[ioan]

But, it's the F1 team that's central to the topic of discussion.

If it's about F1 than let's say that at F1 level, if we compare the numbers, the only teams that count are Ferrari, Williams and McLaren.

Only that the F1 BMW team was the BMW motorsport in Munchen, still I am not losing any sleep over the obvious lack of knowledge of the supporters of a driver who talks like that about the ones who invested in him, time money and belief.

I've said all that I had to say about this subject. The armchair specialists can continue the BMW bash fest without worries.