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3rd January 2010, 18:40 #11
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Originally Posted by henners88All other opinions are wrong....
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3rd January 2010, 20:50 #12
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Again, having followed F1 since the days of Jimmy Clark, I have never seen or had a chance to read any drivers contract. I am deeply impressed with the number of people that claim to know the specifics of those contracts.
This has been hashed and rehashed but for the team, their money comes from winning the constructor's championship. Yes they'd like to win both, but their real pay off is with the constructor's and they are in it to make money. Look at it this way, a driver wins the WDC and it's going to cost more money to keep him because he thinks he's worth more now. Maybe he is, but we all know the car had a role in winning that championship and there will be more than a few capable drivers willing to drive that car for less money. The obivious solution is to have each team only field one car and one driver. There, you've ended the entire argument. But thats not going to happen so as long as each team is required to field 2 drivers, I have no problem with the team favoring whichever driver they think will bring them the most success. It's their money and they have the right to invest it where they think it will get the most return. Rubens had his moments with both Button and schumacher but couldn't lock it down and put it away. Irvine had his chance when Schumacher broke his leg and didn't get it done. I don't think Schumacher needs any thing in a contract that stipulates him as number 1 driver. I think his consistancy, resolve, and crew relationships make it a natural position for him.
Dangerous driving. It is being said it is impossible to pass in F1 nowadays. But it's not immpossible. It's damned difficult and dangerous. Unless you held the pole position and can lead from there, you're going to have to pass people to win. That risks a collision but thats racing. Sometimes it depends on who is trying to pass who and the experience levels involved. On the flip side, we have all seen a pair of drivers go though 4 or more turns side by side without a bobble.
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4th January 2010, 08:48 #13
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Originally Posted by tinchote
Originally Posted by tinchote
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p.s. reading the "Williams" further I see that Reutemann's contract stated a gap of 7secs (according to Peter Windsor) not 6, a figure I was stating from memory.Riccardo Patrese - 256GPs 1977-1993
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4th January 2010, 09:29 #14
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Originally Posted by SGWilkoWhen in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout
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4th January 2010, 15:04 #15
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The team orders by Ferrari weren't executed well in Austria 2001. Mid-race pass would've been more digestable than on the last lap on the last corner. Reminds me of Senna and Mansell giving their victories away to Berger and Patrese respectively - why make all that effort for 99% of the race?
In 2002 Rubens made the team sweat. I'm sure he's proud with his actions.The world according to Taki Inoue: https://mobile.twitter.com/takiinoue/st ... 7249326080
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4th January 2010, 21:07 #16
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Why do people get so het up about the question of team orders? they have been part of racing since the first time a team entered.
I agree that some recent examples have been, shall we say, a little lacking in subtlety, but that doesn't make them wrong. Apart of course from Singapore.Duncan Rollo
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4th January 2010, 22:57 #17
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I think that Moss winning the '55 British GP was disgusting and that Fangio could have easily beaten him, if it wasn't for... not team orders, what's that other thing?
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4th January 2010, 23:18 #18
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Originally Posted by RolloWhen in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout
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5th January 2010, 01:29 #19
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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
As for Austria '02, I think what got people was just how unnecessary it was. If those extra 4 points benefitted Schumacher towards the end of a tightly-fought championship battle, I for one wouldn't have batted an eyelid.
I still think the FIA's completely unenforceable "no team orders" knee-jerk ruling that followed was even more of a farce though.
And regarding Jones/Reutemann, well I was minus two years old when that was going on, but for me the major difference was Reutemann giving the team orders the metaphorical double-fingers in Brazil, without any major repercussions (i.e. he stayed with the team and came within a rubbish Las Vegas performance of winning the title that year) had Rubens kept going to the flag in Austria, what would have been the fallout? I guess we'll never know.
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5th January 2010, 01:51 #20
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Originally Posted by V12When in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout
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