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3rd November 2009, 04:08 #21
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Originally Posted by mileman
Originally Posted by The instant classic
Originally Posted by The instant classic
Restrictor plates are a 1970's solution to a 1980's problem. There's no way to eliminate the banking (I mean it's physically possible, but Big Bill would haunt us all). This is why I talk about those grooved tires so much. Elimiate mechanical grip without changing the track, and the drivers will be lifting in turns and running away from the pack. This is (at least) a 90's solution. A 21st century solution would be to make the catchfence out of diamond, but that's a tad expensive.
Recommended reading: http://fasttrackrc.blogspot.com/racing-reference.info/showblog?id=1785
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3rd November 2009, 04:19 #22
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i was at the race, and the last big crash where Mark Martin flipped, happened right in front of the area where i was sitting,
it was a awesome race!2009 Truck Pick'em Champion
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3rd November 2009, 10:46 #23
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I like the close pack racing. I thought the single file was boring, and you all will too if you knock the banks down.
It's dangerous and needs careful thinking, planning, and fast decision making. Excellent.
Everything a motor sport needs. Plus you really don't know who is going to win.
Taking the plates off sounds a non starter - will still in packs as they will still all be the same, plus more speed.
I don't want to see drivers or fans hurt - no one does - but close hard racing with a hint of danger is what keeps bringing people back. Having said that, shame so many seats were empty.
Perhaps the track is just too long - shorten the straights. Of course, that'll be cheap.
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3rd November 2009, 11:23 #24
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[quote=The instant classic]. . . . take the plates off and race like the IRL,
The IRL is a joke.
Originally Posted by "The instant classic":o23asnex
The only fans who hate the racing at Bristol now are the "wreck fans". I hope they go away and never come back. Racing is not about wrecking.DVR . . . . . Life is too short to watch commercials.
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3rd November 2009, 21:39 #25
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i had a great view of Mark Martin flipping from where i was sitting in the stands
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3rd November 2009, 23:45 #26
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Another problem i see is the bumpers. They never used to be able to bump draft as aggressively as they can now because the bumpers didnt line up. If you were too aggressive bump drafting you would lift the rear of the car you were pushing, now you can just slam into the guy infront. Its not even really drafting anymore its just one car pushing another.
There used to be a skill on these tracks, Drafting was a skill and you couldnt just hook up with another car like they do these days and just push your way to the front in 3 laps. Patience in the draft was needed and guys wanted to be at the front.
Daytona doesnt seem to have as many problems as Dega. Like people have said at Daytona the car has to handly. Grooved tyres seem to me a logical option, that away some of that grip at Dega make them lift in the corners. But the best option would be just to take some banking out of the corners, and i just dont see them going that route.
Does anyone actually think NASCAR will do anything to solve the superspeedway issues?. NASCAR will probably just ignore whats happened, blame the drivers and carry on as everything is great.
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4th November 2009, 05:44 #27
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Originally Posted by Wade91"You win some, lose some, and wreck some." - Dale Earnhardt
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4th November 2009, 07:37 #28
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Originally Posted by colinspooky
For example: Car A is drafting behind car B, car A pulls out but doesn't mantain forward momentum long enough to pass (and clear) car B unless he is followed by Car C. In this situation, as soon as A pulls out, his aerodynamic drag prevents him from completing the pass because he only has 500 horsepower.
An unrestricted Car A with at least 600 (but really more like 850 these days) horsepower could pass Car B because he has enough power to maintain the speed he held while he was drafting.
Go watch some pre-1988 Talladega and Daytona videos on YouTube and you'll see that the cars did not stay in packs before restrictor plates. The field strung out as it would at any other race.
Originally Posted by Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left
Here's a "high nose" car at Daytona.
And a "low nose" car at Memphis.
And as years went by with the old car, NASCAR started to require soft bumpers to discourage bump drafing. These soft bumpers are still in use on the COT.racing-reference.info/showblog?id=1785
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4th November 2009, 11:39 #29
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Originally Posted by call_me_andrewDVR . . . . . Life is too short to watch commercials.
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4th November 2009, 16:27 #30
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Originally Posted by Lee Roy2009 Truck Pick'em Champion
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