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8th September 2008, 04:44 #201
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I don't believe in conspiracy theories.
I don't believe that the Stewards are on Ferrari payroll.
I will have to respectfully disagree with FIA on this though. The incident was clear. Hamilton gave the position back and by the next corner, Hamilton was back where he was before the incident, in Kimi's slipstream.
If anything, FIA should have put a hefty fine on Hamilton for the incident and be done with it, like they did with Ferrari in Valencia.
Stealing a win from the race winner in such a fashion is totally unwaranted. If anything, it really puts big question marks over FIA's credibility.
McLaren might win the appeal yet.Iceman: Adjective 1)Rapid, swift 2)Nickname of Kimi-Matias Räikkönen, a legendary Formula 1 driver
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8th September 2008, 04:49 #202Originally Posted by PSfan
Fact they dragged raced after the chicane, and Hamilton conceded the position to be on the inside for the next corner is how it appears on replays.
My position is and will continue to be, races should be decided on the race track. I can't stand Massa and I hoped that his Valencia result would NOT be spoiled by a penalty because of his pitlane incident. But apparently some here hope and pray for a political result if the race doesn't yield the desired racing result."Every generation's memory is exactly as long as its own experience." --John Kenneth Galbraith
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8th September 2008, 04:52 #203
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Originally Posted by Whyzars
Look at the bright side, how often does a result change after the podium celebration? when was the last time (Prior to this weekends race) that it happened? I prefer this to Nascars taking a way points and fining drivers/teams/crewchiefs for cars that won a race that was way outside the rules.
Originally I thought it didn't make sense to strip a driver of a win on what was arguably a close call, but the more I look at the replays, the less close it looks to me...The Preceding post may have contained nudity, sexuality, violence, coarse language and Jacques
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So you wanna know what the PS Stands for.
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8th September 2008, 05:04 #204
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The official transcripts on the FIA site say thus:
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre...ges/conf4.aspx
I left him enough room, yet he accelerated or picked up more pace going into the corner, and drove me as wide as he possibly could. I had no road left. There was a question I had to ask: if I stay where I am, I'm going to go over the Astroturf… there's some green bit behind the big kerb, the last kerb… and go over it and hit him. Or I go left. That was the option I had to do, I did it. I knew that I had to let him past and also the team came over the radio and said 'you have to let him past' which I did. I was accelerating so that I didn't lose too much ground because I thought that would be unfair.
This is motor racing and if there's a penalty, then there's something wrong because I was ahead going into that corner, so I didn't gain an advantage from it. We were still able to race at the next corner and I gave him his spot back, and I think it was fair and square, so I think it would be absolutely wrong. But you know what they're like, so we will see.
He claims he was told to slow down and let Raikkonen through, but then again as the protagonist you'd expect a) him to say that and b) everyone else to expect him to say that.The Old Republic was a stupidly run organisation which deserved to be taken over. All Hail Palpatine!
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8th September 2008, 05:22 #205
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Originally Posted by Rollo
The telemetry will show whether he did slow down and by how much to let Kimi re-pass.When in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout
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8th September 2008, 05:33 #206
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Well, I will offer here my well-educated analysis, and I'll try to keep it brief
The incident in question began as Hamilton was in Kimi's slipstream, and dived out of it to make a pass entering the bus stop chicane.
Note here that Lewis is attempting an outside pass. Think back to successful outside passes, they are generally accomplished by arriving at the apex of the turn well ahead of the car being passed. In this case, Hamilton was actually behind Raikkonen at the apex point. No good F1 driver, certainly not a WDC, will care at this point how much road he leaves for the driver who is attempting the overtake, because he clearly beat the driver and owns the corner.
Now, it's up to the overtaking driver, in this case Hamilton, to recognize that most any driver is going to use up all of the exit.
Had Hamilton conceded defeat in the overtake, he would have had to closely follow Raikkonen through the left-hand exit of the chicane. Hamilton could not have been on the throttle as quickly as Raikkonen because he would have had to wait to hit the throttle on corner exit until Raikkonen's car began to accellerate. Most F1 overtakes are the clear result of a driver with a certain gap taking a corner at a higher rate of speed and carrying more onto the next straight. If the gap is zero (as it was with Lewis still alongside), the concertina effect occurs and there is no speed advantage relative to distance.
So here, Hamilton cuts the chicane, thus eliminating the effect of following Raikkonen through the corner and having to accelerate at the same point on the corner exit, which would have had a distancing effect between the two cars.
Now they are both on the pit straight. In my opinion, Hamilton, having entered the track at a point ahead of Raikkonen, was problably accelerating as hard as possible on the dirty and damp part of the track, allowing Raikkonen the good lauch and he to accelerate past Hamilton.
However, at this point the McLaren was much closer to the Ferrari than would have been possible if Hamilton had made the previous corner.
So, net gain goes to Hamilton, allowing him to be close enough to dive down the inside of Raikkonen into La Source.
Fernando Alonso did the exact same thing in Suzuka a few years back, and he was subsequently told to slow down on track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lteu8yVzIOQ Watch at 1:20 - 2:00.Formula Platypus 2012
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8th September 2008, 06:15 #207
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Originally Posted by 71minus2"You can mop the blood up later." - R.A. Lafferty
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8th September 2008, 06:18 #208
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Originally Posted by yodasarmpit
I couodn't watch the race live either, and after watching the incident on Youtube and reading about the news, I thought "I wonder what ioan thinks".
The opening page was a bliss. Ioan and F1boat saying that they thought the penalty was not justified said it all!Iceman: Adjective 1)Rapid, swift 2)Nickname of Kimi-Matias Räikkönen, a legendary Formula 1 driver
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8th September 2008, 06:19 #209
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Originally Posted by Shifter
That must be what the stewards were thinking, but I will wait until the outcome of the appeal to see what the actual decision is. Either way is fine with me - it was an exciting and memorable race which may end up being an infamous race..."You can mop the blood up later." - R.A. Lafferty
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8th September 2008, 06:25 #210
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Originally Posted by Mickey T
Wise words from a wise man. I hope you are right, or this sport will turn many fans away.Iceman: Adjective 1)Rapid, swift 2)Nickname of Kimi-Matias Räikkönen, a legendary Formula 1 driver
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