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8th August 2008, 15:17 #31
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Originally Posted by tamburello
Theres a difference between being ultra competitive and unsporting.
The basic principles of being competitive lie in competition. To win you have to beat your competition.
Being unsporting, you unfairingly ridding or gaining advantage over your competition in order to win.
So criticise me as much as you like for standing by my values, but I'll never agree and accept unsporting behaviour in F1.
In same way I'm sure most of you would agree an athlete in olympics should be disqualified if taking drugs or tripping over a competitor. Its unsporting. But it seems for some this should be accepted in F1.
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8th August 2008, 15:17 #32
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Originally Posted by tamburello
If someone says to me "yeah, OK, he knew that he would lose the place as his car was damaged so he made sure they both didn't finish" then I would at least have respect for the person being honest about it. I may have strong opinions about the incident in question but that's different.
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8th August 2008, 15:20 #33
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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
It does appear Hill was in the wrong. At first glance its as if he punted Schumi off!
Senna went for the inside at Suzuka 1990. But that doesn't necessarily mean he was in the right (pun not intended) because there was known malicious intent. If Senna kept his mouth shut would he still gotten away with it?The world according to Taki Inoue: https://mobile.twitter.com/takiinoue/st ... 7249326080
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8th August 2008, 15:27 #34Originally Posted by Knock-on
I do not believe it was premeditated, as I don't believe Jerez 97 was the result of a masterplan, and I don't believe that Schumacher had a moral issue with turning in at that moment purely because he was in racing mode.
To crucify somebody for something premediated, as a believe Senna at Suzuka 90 was (don't have to believe it, he admitted as much) is one thing, but I never thought Michael deliberately carried out any of his controversial moments behind the wheel with the mindset that "this is wrong, but feck it"...I think it was more "Feck! What Can I Do?" panic than evidence of a dark, calculating soul.
It was not pretty, but I really don't believe that in that moment Michael had the ability to remove himself from the instant and think "oh no, best not".
Somebody with that fierce competitive instinct cannot just take time-out until after the event.
If you recall, he was genuinely surprised by the feelings of resentment against him after Jerez 97....which, while in no way endorsing them, does for me make it clear that it wasn't the act of a totally unscrupulous bxxxxxd that many have claimed it was. Same applies to Adelaide 94.
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8th August 2008, 15:36 #35
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Originally Posted by tamburello
Me neither, in no way am I suggesting he pre-planned all of this. Adelaide clip, that corner when they hit, in full speed we are talking 1 second max!
Can I take it you believe that Schumacher drove into Hill (or defended) knowhing he was about to lose the title?
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8th August 2008, 15:38 #36
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Originally Posted by tamburelloThe world according to Taki Inoue: https://mobile.twitter.com/takiinoue/st ... 7249326080
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8th August 2008, 15:44 #37
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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
2. Watch the replay. Hill drove into the side of Michael. How does Michael drive into Hill when he is in front of Hill Now Michael into Jacques 1997, that was Michael driving into someone !!!"But it aint how hard you hit, it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward. How much you can take, and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done." Rocky.
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8th August 2008, 15:44 #38
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Originally Posted by wedge
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8th August 2008, 15:47 #39Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
I don't think that, in that split-second, Michael had any other thought than "turn in".
I do not believe he was doing it with the knowledge that he was about to lose the title if he didn't.
I don't think he was capable of making judgements in moments like that. That is the 'weakness' oh his that I'm referring to.
I know from my own (much, much lesser level) racing that I'm more inclined, having made a mistake (and do I make them!) for my first and only reaction to be to get back on line and hold the position than think "I know this will feck him up too".
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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
1: the car was legal. It had illegal components in it which were fully functioning, but they never used it ...make of that what you want. Personally I don't see point in having a system in the car if you not going to use it. But each to their own.
2: Hill was in the inside. Michael kept on racing line knowing he had a damaged car, and driving at a much slower speed than Hill. Hill was on the inside, so of course technically he went into Michael, but Hill had the right of way. MS was driving much slower in a damaged car, you don't defend until collision when your in that position.
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