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14th July 2008, 10:03 #11
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Originally Posted by Tomi
To be fair, Sweden was very good, but he looked pretty dominant in Acropolis on stage times at least.
Juho's performance in Russia was great, but don't forget he also drove IRC in Portugal and was nothing special there.
Both JWRC and PWRC seem too much about endurance though, there seem to be a lot of retirements and the gaps in JWRC especially are huge by the end of the rallies (like tens of minutes)
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14th July 2008, 10:15 #12
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Originally Posted by RSAja kovaa Pena.
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14th July 2008, 10:22 #13
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Originally Posted by Tomi
Anyhow, there is no doubting Haninen's talent... Regarding Alen, you have a very good point, but this is a matter of his contract with Fiat and not IRC. I thought Alen would have performed better so far this year than he has and things aren't likely to get a lot better on his next few events although they will be a great opportunity to practice his tarmac driving skills
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14th July 2008, 11:38 #14N.O.T 03:43 14th Jul 08
well all the best drivers are currently in the WRC most of the drivers in IRC are second class or local heroes who never did it in the big league...
How can you compare driving skils when the machinery is totally different. Having few guys driving cars unreachable for the rest is hardly any base for comparison.
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14th July 2008, 12:02 #15
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Originally Posted by Tomi
In IRC Peugeot is too dominating and Group N cars don't have a chance for a good position. It is also horrible that they never spend one sentence about marques who are not inscribed. S2000's are for me so boring, when they come out a small corner, they haven't much accelaration and they have not much spectacle.
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14th July 2008, 12:04 #16
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In my mind IRC is trying to do some things better than WRC, which is marketing and they are quite successful in some areas. Many people are saying the IRC, good thing, very intense competition and etc. For me it smells like marketing story. So, usually I try to use very simple statistics to prove that there is not much difference in competition. I did it in a following way.
I took all four IRC events that have taken place in 2008 and their final overall top 10 standings.
For comparison I made some pairs with little bit similar wrc events. pairs were:
IRCTurkey-WRCTurkey2007;
IRCPortugal-WRCPortugal2007;
IRCYrpes-WRCGermany2007;
IRCRussia-WRCSardegna2008.
Next I took account the fact that WRC events are much longer and therefore I took the standings that were after about same long driving (written behind the first driver hh:min).
here are the results (Sorry about the abbreviations):
IRC standings:
Tur ------- Por ------ Belg ------ Rus
1) ros 2:25 - ros 2:57 - loi 2:45 - han 2:14
2) voi 0.23 - jan 0.46 - voi 0.59 - al 2.11
3) ale 1.27 - voi 1.38 - ros 1.27 - bas 2.44
4) ren 2.12 - bass 2.19 - cas 1.35 - loi 3.29
5) jan 2.14 - juh 2.21 - snj 1.44 - voi 5.31
6) sol 2.24 - bru 3.11 - bas 3.22 - jan 6.54
7) isik 4.47 - 7 3.51 - vand 4.44 - tira 9.03
8) loi 4.48 - aig 8.1 - brui 6.19 - sim 10.42
9) yag 10.29 - per 10.46 - liet 6.21 - x 17.07
10)kara 10.38 - lop 10.57 - aq 7.42 - xx 17.26
WRC standings:
Tur ------ Por ------ Ger ------ Sard
1) hirv 2.37 - loe 3.01 - loe 2.48 - loe 2.16
2) latv 02.9 - gro 0.40 - gro 0.38 - hirv 0.42
3) gal 05.2 - hir 1.57 - duv 0.50 - lat 0.54
4) loe 13.7 - sol 2.1 - hir 0.56 - sor 0.56
5) sol 45.4 - sor 3.59 - kop 2.49 - gal 1.15
6) sol 1.34 - lat 4.5 - gard 2.51 - atk 1.56
7) sor 1.51 - solb 6.49 - sol 3.07 - solb 3.18
8) wil 2.09 - carls 6.56 - pon 4.16 - aava 3.24
9) raut 4.01 - galli 8.12 - lat 4.54 - gard 4.12
10)vill 4.16 - stoh 11.2 - atk 8.5 - and 4.13
You can see that in most cases the competition in WRC is muc, much, much more tighter. So, nice marketing trick:-) Or do you have any better statistics?
Yes I know that there are some weak spots in my methods, but it is the best I could :-)Colins Crest = Möldri Mätas
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14th July 2008, 12:09 #17
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Originally Posted by Wim_Impreza
The coverage else was quite crap too, much lousier than what we here in Finland get from the WRC.
What comes to the car makes, the idea is to build better cars than the competitor has, it has always been in rally that some cars are stronger than others, it does not change until everyone drives same cars.Aja kovaa Pena.
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14th July 2008, 12:39 #18
To say one is better, you need many to compare. Claming one is the best by restrictig other competitors is like buying yourself rally fame.
Currently IRC is testig driver's skills, WRC is testing ability to cheet, to survive long stages with crap tyres, quickly changing wheels. On other hand, Citroen are testing how long Fins will suffer before giving up on the World title. It's kind of entertaining, but that's not rallying.
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14th July 2008, 12:45 #19
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Originally Posted by jparkerAja kovaa Pena.
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14th July 2008, 12:55 #20
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I am pretty surprised to see the current results in the poll (fun idea btw C4).
41% for WRC and 31% for IRC. It's simply beyond me that anybody prefers IRC. Watching Freddy Loix dominating a rally in IRC (Ypres) just tell the whole story about the quality of drivers in that series.
I would pick WRC anyday, anytime ... like I pick F1 and MotoGP because that is where the best in the world are. Watching second class drivers/riders is never good enough for me.Supporting Ogier in the WRC & Ferrari in F1 & Ducati in MotoGP.
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