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Thread: What about group "B" ??
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6th February 2008, 10:28 #11
I was watching an MSA video last night and motorsport as a whole isn't even in the top four most dangerous sports. Bear in mind that on a half marathon in England the other year 4 people died, that doesn't happen in rallying but you don't hear people crying on about the dangers of running. It's just not fair.
For the record check out Group B on Youtube to see how dangerous it was. The cars were nuts compared to the well designed WRC cars of todayYou're so beige, you probably think this signature is about someone else.
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6th February 2008, 10:46 #12
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And the absolute pinnacle of the madness was driving those monsters on full tilt between a human wall - as seen in Portugal and San Remo. It's a small wonder how drivers were able to do that, in-car footage defies belief.
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6th February 2008, 11:31 #13
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Originally Posted by Meeve
Take a look at the below to get a true idea on what was going on..
The powerful sound track on the video gives the feeling what it was like.....
As said above, a major factor was the amount of people on the stages standing on outside of bends etc etc... and the power of the Group B cars...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrJGPda5uGE
Also..
This below clip shows you the types of speed and spectator issues.... there are a few famous clips in there, which are famous for the WRONG reasons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrJGPda5uGE
and below....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44iib...eature=related
Hopefully these videos will answer a few questions for you.
cheers
Rick
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6th February 2008, 11:51 #14
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Originally Posted by Meeve
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6th February 2008, 12:24 #15
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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
Talking to former rally drivers from this period today I think you will find that many of them found the Group B cars extremely fascinating, but also probably were scared ****less of these monsterous machines while driving them. Group B actually had the writing on the wall nearly before the cars started rallying.
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6th February 2008, 12:30 #16
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I think the reasons they stopped it were 70% politics from F1As dogs and 30% because of the cars themselves.
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6th February 2008, 12:48 #17
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Thanks to you all for answering my questions. But I still have a few more.. What was the best car then? Most of you talked about Peugot and Ford RS200 is that it? I heard about some car consrtructor like Audi won a "double" what is that? Why was Lancia not trustiong 4WD when audi proved it was the best? thanks
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6th February 2008, 13:04 #18
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Originally Posted by N.O.T
Anyway, Great cars, probably too dangerous, but things around the cars weren't organized at it's best either. But the sound is just adorable...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qefKc...eature=related
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6th February 2008, 13:35 #19Originally Posted by Meeve
I'd just like to add that my knowledge of Group B results are sketchy so others are likely to provide more reliable comment.You're so beige, you probably think this signature is about someone else.
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6th February 2008, 13:55 #20
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Audi Quattro was first 4WD but it had also many issues, unreliable engine in the first variants and in all variants a lot of understeering because of longitudinal engine infront of front axle. They used small wheelbase and long car - big polar moments of innertia, especialy front as I mentioned before. The first versions also had wrong engine volume which made it too heavy (multiplied by turbo coefficient they were only few ccm above an engine limit for lighter car). Audi was all the time a classic conception car with engine in the front. In the very end they used semi-automatic Porsche gearbox with double clutch and sequential shifting, something like DSG nowadays. In 1986 they tested mid-engine prototype even in our county - Czechoslowakia - that days behind an iron curtain, very close to Zlin in guarded testing area. There are some photos of the prototype from that secret test.
Oposite to that Peugeot 205 T16 and later Lancia Delta S4, Ford RS200 or MG Metro 6R4 were built as racing monsters just from scratch. They used mid-engine concept with fuel tanks under crew seats which gave them ideal weight distribution and minimum polar moments of innertia. But using turbochargers, exhaust and engine so close to plastic fuel tanks was dangerous. From that point of view Metro was less dangerous since it had naturaly aspirated engine.
It is hard to say which car was the best. From RWD it was clearly Lancia 037 but from 4WD my vote goes to Peugeot 205 T16. Lancia Delta S4 was more sophisticated but very hard to drive.Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump
toyota to build rally3 cars? https://rallyjournal.com/details-emerge-on-toyotas-major-wrc-project/
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