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29th October 2017, 21:13 #41
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29th October 2017, 21:54 #42
"Fair play"? The sport is "auto racing" on a global scale, not bumper cars at your local fair; nor figure eights at your local short track on Saturday nights.
'Didn't work? I could have sworn I saw his wing contact Lewis' right rear and Lewis pitting for replacement...what do I know?
It doesn't take two corrections to stop a step-out. (I didn't see Vettel sideways in the in-car; he just jogged the wheel to the left twice while accelerating)
I didn't give an opinion, just an observation. I couldn't care less who wins, I was only a fan of my screennamesake, none since.Last edited by jimclark; 29th October 2017 at 22:17.
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29th October 2017, 22:07 #43
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29th October 2017, 22:37 #44
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I have never agreed that motorsport is non contact. You run the risk if you do make contact but its your risk to take. I assume you have heard the phrase fair play used in the way I did rather than fair play on track?
It didnt work because Vettel needed to stop Lewis and still win the race. That is quite hard to make work and that is why I dont think he did it on purpose. Thus it didn't work.
I have never driven an F1 car and so couldn't comment on how Vettel should control an F1 car coming off a kerb.I still exist and still find the forum occasionally. Busy busy
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29th October 2017, 23:18 #45
(A) 'Never said you did.
(B) Yes, accidental contact, not intentional.
(C) No I sure haven't. I only know one kind.
(D) It did work, he made contact and cut his tire. If Vettel won and Ham finished lower than 5th (iirc) the championship was still open. I'm not going to figure other permutations.
(E) I haven't either but have raced. 'Not important, as being a fan, I learned how things worked long before I ever drove a car period. The physics remain the same for all rear wheel drive vehicles.
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30th October 2017, 01:24 #46
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The incident is what it is. They both tried for a position and lost out.
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30th October 2017, 01:43 #47
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30th October 2017, 04:01 #48
I wouldn't go so far as to say the contact at T3 was deliberate on Vettel's part, but I wouldn't dismiss it as just a "racing incident" either. Hamilton had already completed the pass, there was 0% overlap between the cars going in to T3, and Vettel hit the back of Hamilton, cutting his tire. In almost any other circumstance, considering that it took Hamilton out of contention, that would have merited a penalty for causing a collision.
I don't put the failure to investigate down to any "Ferrari Assistance Institute" bias, but rather there has definitely been a strong theme in the stewarding this season of wanting to force the title fight to the last race of the season at all costs. I find it hard to dismiss this as a factor in today's race.
Either way, season over and well earned WDC for Hamilton.
Just personally, I think it was all over in Baku. The expression on Hamilton's face while he was standing in the pits during the red flag period right after the infamous collision was very telling. He wasn't upset, at all. In fact, he could barely contain his excitement at the fact that he had just got to Vettel and pushed him over the edge. I don't mean this as a criticism - far from it - mind games are an important part of any sport and I personally think Hamilton is much better at it than he's generally given credit for. Vettel's psyche has been more than a little brittle this season and Hamilton has exploited it to his advantage.
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30th October 2017, 05:49 #49
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I believe you when you say you saw it straight away. You'd be more credible if you hadn't. Hitting intentionally another driver with your front wing seems like a very stupid thing to do. Hitting him when you need to finish more than your opponent is even dumber.
It's the same thing every year. The Hamilton against evil F1. FIA is evil. Vettel is evil, replacing Rosberg as Satan in the Hamilton movie. Bottas is Hamilton's sh1tty assistant. Mercedes is not up to the standards (a team that won 4 championships in a raw ). Of course, the mercedes car was the second best, to the glory of the driver who wins championships despite the 'inferior' equipment.
This is just silly.
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30th October 2017, 13:20 #50
Almost all Finn's since Paavo Nurmi who are fast in their sport have been called "Flying", particularly the 1960's rally drivers, but I was actually thinking of "Flying Finnish" - the timing line at...
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