The new FIA WRC-car concept 2017

**skarderud** · 30th July 2015, 13:52

In swedish stcc/tta, they use a french car, solution-F. Just fit your wished chassis, then race.
Everyone has the same point of stand, the best driver/team winns.
Maybe not interresting for VW, but lots of other teams, like m-sport, prodrive, tmr, bozian, and smaller teams like adapta and weavers would be on it with a small support from a car-manufacturer.

**janvanvurpa** · 30th July 2015, 15:46

Originally Posted by Lundefaret

It would have been better if the R5 and WRC cars were built around a space frame, like in the Group B-era, or like Peugeots Pikes Peak winner.
A space frame is "easy" to modify, so You can change the wheelbase, track with etc, whitout making a whole new car, and You can also change the bodywork, whitout building a whole new car.
This is how they do it in American motorsport (Nascar, Dragracing etc). Its potentially a huge cost saver to do it like this.

Oddly enough since we agree on so much else, I disagree...
You know i work with steel things for 405 years now, light tube constructions and I live here where rally is a very sad joke and Circle track is KING..
And yeah the costs of CIRCLE track tube structures are amazingly cheap---and many are completely done in China now so the price is unusually low---

And the choices of hubs and uprights and links and brakes and all kinds of parts are crazy cheap..

But whole cars are still expensive....and they are extremely crude things..
But mainly it is the strength of the modern type INTEGRATED cage and shell is more than the sum of the strength of the cage and the shell separately...

The cars are enormously stronger and they are much safer that tube things

**denkimi** · 30th July 2015, 20:31

Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Oddly enough since we agree on so much else, I disagree...
You know i work with steel things for 405 years now, light tube constructions and I live here where rally is a very sad joke and Circle track is KING..
And yeah the costs of CIRCLE track tube structures are amazingly cheap---and many are completely done in China now so the price is unusually low---

And the choices of hubs and uprights and links and brakes and all kinds of parts are crazy cheap..

But whole cars are still expensive....and they are extremely crude things..
But mainly it is the strength of the modern type INTEGRATED cage and shell is more than the sum of the strength of the cage and the shell separately...

The cars are enormously stronger and they are much safer that tube things

you can make your tube-chassis as strong or safe as you wish. f1 doesn't have a shell either.

**janvanvurpa** · 30th July 2015, 20:36

Originally Posted by denkimi

you can make your tube-chassis as strong or safe as you wish. f1 doesn't have a shell either.

Of course.. at a cost..

and as Competition boss for Citroen said way back in the Clio days "we complained bitterly when we first had to make Group a cars... Then one of our guys pointed out that we make efforts to make road cars strong and safe, isn't kind of pointless to throw away all that effort? Add to it."

**sollitt** · 30th July 2015, 23:22

Originally Posted by Mirek

I don't agree with You, often they didn't share even the shape.

This is how Delta S4 looked and below is how stock Delta looked...

You cannot see similarity between the road car and rally car?

**danon** · 30th July 2015, 23:47

None! - Except the name.

**N.O.T** · 31st July 2015, 00:19

Originally Posted by danon

None! - Except the name.

then you should have your eyes checked... the only difference are the added plastic aero parts at the back and front.

**Mirek** · 31st July 2015, 09:53

Originally Posted by sollitt

You cannot see similarity between the road car and rally car?

The point is that both technically and visually there is a lot more difference between stock Delta and gr.B Delta than between any stock recent car and it's WRC version and that will most likely stay unchanged even with 2017 rules.

**giu canbera** · 31st July 2015, 19:54

Originally Posted by sollitt

I sincerely hope not. Sports cars ... yes, but once rally cars lose their connection to everyday transport the sport will lose all relevance and the majority of it's following.

Hmm.. you're right... but I'd rather have the street cars with rear wings, air intakes, aerodynamic pieces instead of a WRC car more likely to its road relevant.....