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3rd December 2014, 20:59 #341
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I know it is pointless to answer and you will now start the same story of why he stayed at Citroen and he retired when VW came in WRC and blah blah blah... but lets see the number again:
Didn't Hirvonen take it to last rally to decide the title two times (2009 and 2011)? This to me seems there was some competition. Look again to the championship standings from 2004-2007, the differences are greater than you think, except 2007. Remember 2006 he was away for 4 rallies. Here are the average points differences from champion (adjusted to 25 points for win before 2010):
2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2 0.18 5.63 8.75 0.16 0.63 3.17 0.21 8.08 0.62 4.38 8.77 3.77 3 1.61 6.09 8.75 7.34 2.66 9.50 6.04 8.23 2.00 8.92 9.85 9.00 4 2.50 7.03 10.78 9.06 7.97 10.67 10.83 8.38 3.85 9.31 12.62 10.85 5 4.11 8.75 11.56 9.84 10.78 12.00 12.08 9.69 8.62 11.23 12.85 12.23
To me it seems that 2004-2005 and 2010 were the years with the least competition but still you (and some others) only talk about after Marcus retired...
Also have in mind that in 2013 Ogier was way more dominant than Loeb ever was. Does this mean he didn't deserve the championship?
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3rd December 2014, 21:00 #342
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Absolutely, I'd have loved to see Loeb in the Ford or any other car in that period, however which driver in the history of the WRC has left the best team to find a new challenge? None.
I think Loeb vs VW would have confirmed he is the greatest, but because he never took up the challenge there will always be question marks for some. How long can one man be at the top of his game though? Loeb passed his peak very gracefully, and in Monte Carlo he will show he is still the greatest despite a lack of rallying (and an inferior car).
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3rd December 2014, 21:04 #343
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3rd December 2014, 21:10 #344
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3rd December 2014, 21:19 #345
Mainly true, but not completely.
Kankunnen left Lancia, which was easily the best Group A team in 1987, because he felt that despite winning a the drivers championship for them, he was getting short-shrifted in favor of his Italian teammates. He spent two seasons driving an inferior Celica ST165 that was still being developed.
Sainz left what was arguably the best team in 1993 (Toyota Team Europe), apparently because his oil company sponsor (Repsol, I believe) was no longer sponsoring TTE, which was now sponsored by Castrol. He went over to a Lancia team that was no longer a works team.
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3rd December 2014, 21:33 #346
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"With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4IRMYuE1hI
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3rd December 2014, 21:35 #347
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3rd December 2014, 21:42 #348
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That's twisted logic. It was him who made them looking like no opposition. If he was not there You could follow 5 years of battles for the title and maybe You would celebrate how great years those were. How would You know they were so bad if there was nobody better? It's Loeb who made them looking like bunch of amateurs and that's why he is the greatest of all because nobody else ever managed to beat his rivals for almost a decade so badly that people started to think others are just so bad.
Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump
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3rd December 2014, 21:45 #349
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3rd December 2014, 22:14 #350
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I have never been more pessimistic about the future of wrc. Manus will hold wrc hostage for a couple more years till one quits and then its over
WRC main class in 2025