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21st November 2007, 10:41 #11
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Some adore Petter, because he is mr Hollytwood, because he is world Champion of 2004, because he can set some fast times. I think he is fast and he has a car that isn't good. But... he isn't that good he is at the top. Loeb is top! After him very close come Hirvonen and Latvala (I speak about after Gronholm). Than comes Solberg and Atkinson who is closer by and more times faster than P. Solberg.
For a good WRC competition I hope Subaru comes with a fast car. That is what the sport needs. Lets see what Petter (and Atkinson) can do with a new car.
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21st November 2007, 10:50 #12
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My opinion: at the moment Impreza is much to slow compare to C4 or Focus '07, let say 0,5 sec/ km.And also much less realaible. Next season totally new impreza, which will be definetley faster compare to this year model, and let say they will get this 0,5 sec, but also in M-sport and in Citroen Sport people will not sleep during winter and both cars will be again faster in spring. So SWRT will be again slower. SWRT must produce a true revolution, if they can become at least as fast as Ford&Citroen.
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21st November 2007, 11:09 #13
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Originally Posted by Finni
I couldn't say better
Yes I agree. Troubles at Subaru began with 2006 car.
The big surprise is how dfficult it has been for Prodrive to improve the situation since then. Maybe some improvements have been made this year but I expected a lot more from such an experienced top team.
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21st November 2007, 11:19 #14
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Originally Posted by jure dvorsek
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21st November 2007, 11:49 #15MJWGuest
I read today that Subaru will have a S12C (my name for the car) from January as a replacement to this current version until S14 comes out in August for NORF. This years (2007 S12B) was supposed to be an improvement on the previous years car. However, it was designed with a lot of engineers who worked on S12. Since late summer some key engineers who previously worked at SWRT in the glory days, late 1990's to early 2000's have returned. Maybe these rally engineers will turn things around that the "race guys" could not. Also, they will never admit it but I'm sure the F1 thing at Prodrive was a distraction. Maybe now DR & the management can concentrate on getting Subaru back to winning ways. I bloody hope so!
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21st November 2007, 11:56 #16
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Originally Posted by Helstar
At least Bosse used to win rallies and had podiums with the whale : unlike Petter in the recent year Impreza
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21st November 2007, 12:03 #17
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Originally Posted by MJWAnother Flying Finn
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21st November 2007, 13:11 #18Originally Posted by FinniWhen you're tired of rallying...you're tired of life
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21st November 2007, 14:38 #19
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Petter was as good as Loeb and Macus 2 or 3 seasons ago but now I can't really measure Petter's true speed because the car is just cr*p! Impreza is just nowhere near Focus or C4, and you can't really compare stage time or pt standing or anything. I have the impression that Atkinson has adapted to the current car little better than Petter but I wouldn't say Chris is better than Petter, either. SWRT really needs to step up their development.
Waiting for Subaru to come back to be :champion:
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21st November 2007, 16:14 #20
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The only thing that can save Petter`s career is a move to Ford or Citroen... I just can`t understand Petter anymore, he has given Subaru so many chanches... At a point he must set his foot down and make the move, he can`t listen to Subarus promisses anymore...
May the grip be with you:)
I assume just the dirt due to his road position. except for fourmeaux, the current standings are exactly like the start position.
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