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31st December 2007, 12:48 #31
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Originally Posted by Rollo
Monaco 1984 - Prost was leading but ordered the race to be stopped. In my opinion if he thought unsafe he should have pulled off the track and allowed everybody else to carry on. Senna, Bellof and even Rene Arnoux were catching him. So had it gone to at least 75% distance, he would have finished 3rd or 4th anyway. By losing the title at the final round, he really reaped what he sew at Monaco.
1988 - the rules were the same from the start and it would have a big effect on the mindframe before races. Had the points system been like it normally was both drivers would have gone into each race differently. To blame losing the title on a points system doesn't fit.
1990 - Well ok, you can have this one - but only if you give Senna the 1989 title for Prost drove into him in deliberate fashion as well. And then, Senna got restarted but the Frenchman at the head of the FIA chucked him out of the race on a technicality.
Who do I think is the best driver ever?
Senna.
2nd: Fangio
3rd: LaudaNiente è vero, tutto è permesso
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31st December 2007, 13:01 #32Originally Posted by Bezza
Therefore, Senna winning at Monaco in 1984 if it were not for Prost getting the race stopped is a myth.
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31st December 2007, 13:19 #33
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1. Michael Schumacher
2. Juan Manuel Fangio
3. Alain Prost
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31st December 2007, 15:11 #34
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This is so hard to say--For their era, it is easy to pick Fangio from the 1950's, Clark from the sixties, Stewart early 70's, and so forth. But with the advent of wings and then all the latest demands on physical ability to withstand the g-forces and smacking, it is very unlikely that Fangio would have been competitive at all in the 1980 through 2008 era when he was of the age he was when he won his championships.
Hard to say about Clark. What made him so great was his feel for the car at the high speed corners and his well known ability to just take what was given and go fast (or inability to set up a car as some said back then), but with the advent of wings of the modern era, where the higher the speed, the more downforce and traction in faster corners means that very magic and delicate touch for high speed cornering would not be such a premium.
Although if Mario Andretti was any indication, then maybe that would not have been much of a problem for Clark, but Mario was perhaps the driver with the most ability to drive competitively in all sorts of cars who won a WDC, yet the year he won the WDC, he said that driving the F1 car was more like driving a go-kart rather than driving the cars when they had no wings, and the earlier cars required much more skill and touch, then to simply brake hard, point and then slam the gas on....then there was the semi-racing movie "Speedway" where he discussed all the problems of wings, g-forces and how tough it was to drive the modern cars because of the physical demands and need for quick reactionsOnly the dead know the end of war. Plato:beer:
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31st December 2007, 18:21 #35
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1 Fangio
2 Stewart
3 Schumacher*
* denotes that Mike's name in the official f1 record books will never appear with an * after it.
In perpetuity!May the forza be with you
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31st December 2007, 18:29 #36
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Originally Posted by TazioOpinions are like ar5eholes, everyone has one.
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31st December 2007, 18:36 #37
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Senna, Schumacher, Stewart - but I'm buggered if I'm putting them in order.
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31st December 2007, 20:13 #38
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Originally Posted by tamburelloNiente è vero, tutto è permesso
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31st December 2007, 20:30 #39
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Originally Posted by tamburello
If only Bellof hadn't taken that stupid chance at Eau Rouge, we might all be discussing him in this conversation.
Tony
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31st December 2007, 21:34 #40
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Hey!! you guys forget Lewis Hamilton.
When in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout
Did Jan Solans get 3 points for his 8th place at the end of saturday? Wikipedia and WRC site shows he didn't, eWRC shows he did.
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