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Thread: WRC Driver's Championship Stats
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8th December 2006, 09:34 #21
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Given that I operate one of those statistics sites that were referenced to, I feel a need to put in a word. First of all, I think that this thread is interesting and not at all detrimental to statistics sites, quite the contrary.
Originally Posted by LazioCenturion
Originally Posted by LazioCenturion
These rulings are an integral part of any statistics and while I think that I've found a good compromise, there always is room for discussion. Just recently I was updating the code on my site and was left wondering whether I should treat Alpine in conjunction with Renault in similar fashion that Datsun and Nissan are. I decided against this because Nissan is simply Datsun's connotation but Alpine was a separate company from Renault (although no longer independent at the time when they won WRC rounds).
These rules are a point where I think a lot of gray areas exist and I'd appreciate discussion around the hazy edges.
Originally Posted by LazioCenturion
Secondly, Grist ran only five events alongside Kankkunen in 1993 while Delecour's second, Daniel Grataloup, ran on nine events. Daniel's score would be equal to that of Delecour, ie. 112 pts whereas Grist would have scored only following:
Monte with Schwarz: 6th = 6 pts
Acropolis with Schwarz:3rd = 12 pts
Argentina with Kankkunen: 1st = 20 pts
New Zealand with Kankkunen: 5th = 8 pts
Finland with Schwarz: 9th = 2 pts
Australia with Kankkunen: 1st = 20 pts
Catalunya with Kankkunen: 3rd = 12 pts
Great Britain with Kankkunen: 1st= 20 pts
total of 100 points
In all, Grist was co-driver of driver's world champion but certainly not co-driver champion. Grataloup was if there was any.
Originally Posted by LazioCenturion
If one is insisted to include it, the origin of the manufacturer is obviously the deciding one, not that one of the team. Admittedly, the team does the work but take the case of TTE for example. It was run by a swede with crew of at least dozen other nationalities. First based in shed in Sweden, then in Belgium, then in UK and later Germany. What nationality one would use? Japan is the only correct one and not only for the sake of simplicity.
Excuse me for my long rant but my interest to this topic should be obvious. And to anyone who cared to read this far: I extend an invitation to contribute to the discussion and I reserve a right to incorporate any good ideas to my site.
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8th December 2006, 09:40 #22
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How often you upgrade the stats Jonkka ? And does it take much of your time to keep up with your site?
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8th December 2006, 15:59 #23
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Well, I tend to agree with jonkka 99%.
The remaining 1% goes to the "nationality" of Ford. Even if I agree that it's become impossible and unnecessary to attach nationalites to teams, or rather to manufacturers, I somehow always considered Ford as British, and in my mind that will never change.
Especially when Americans had nothing to do with the cars Ford competed with, and indeed showed very little interest in the whole thing.
That's just my 2cents, tho.Drive as if your life depends on it...because it does!
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8th December 2006, 16:33 #24
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Originally Posted by Kaps
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13th December 2006, 07:05 #25
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Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Basically I update the online version of the site weekly, mainly Wednesdays. I have a version on my own computers that I update with new results as events take place and with old results as I get them. With so many old events still having uncomplete results, updating takes place almost every day of the week.
Site is my main hobby so it does take up a lot of time. I've never counted hours, though.
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13th December 2006, 17:10 #26
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Good input Lazio, i too am crazy for WRC stats i'm doing since i was a kid, in 79. Don't have a website though, it's all on HDDs via Excel.
Even though the informations are available through other websites, it's always interesting to have it in one place, and this is the right place.
On my part i think nationality stats worth being mentioned because when one dives into stats, it makes sense to go through the work and mention them.
Funny note that only people who don't have their cars involved in the WRC wouldn't find the nationality tally interesting and would raise nationality pride as an argument.
I share the same opinion with others that nationality is sometimes hard to determine for teams like Ford, Toyota, Sub, Mitsu. But since the intention of world rallying, the funding, the sporting and marketing policies even adapted to foreign countries are respectively originated from the USA and Japan i'd give them both the nationality credit of their titles.
And it doesn't take anything from the supermen located in Cumbria, Köln, Banbury or Rugby who made their overseas employer's dreams come true.Markku Alén, 1978 World Champion
It is nowadays Prokop´s own car or still BRR?
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