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11th January 2024, 13:45 #101
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sorry but if i travel the world to see wrc ( like i do), i want to see the more top drivers i can. so i will definitely, even with a bit of sadness, sometimes, "sacrifice" rally2 & others for more rally1 time. i don't care in being a diehard fan. i spend the money to see the best in the world.
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11th January 2024, 16:09 #102
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11th January 2024, 16:12 #103
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11th January 2024, 16:24 #104
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One often suggested idea is if you pick 7 events, you are either creating a new championship or changing it to a cup, something they'd have to look into. I'm pretty sure there's boxticking that affects Rally1 and promoter obligations.
We don't know for sure how much the promoter and FIA help the younger drivers who do make it now. I think the reality is teams, privateers etc are not welcome. Even Bertelli could not officially enter his 'own' car. I think that says it all. Manufacturers/Promoter/FIA should be entirely responsible for grooming talent for the series in this image as they built it, not relying on enthusiasm of others. Something else that isn't sustainable.
Non-hybrids are a non-starter in WRC."It's not sport!" - Gilles Panizzi
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14th January 2024, 18:14 #105
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Sorry for not answering earlier, I was on holidays and didn't read the forum. Also sorry for sounding too arrogant. My bad.
The cars do suffer a lot from understeering but they somehow managed to cope with it with suspension geometry and diff ramp angles. If you remember the 2011 WRC cars were being driven ridiculously sideways on the loose surface at their beginnings. The reason for that was the abscence of the center differential.
I don't have exact statiastics but when the gr.N 4WD cars were still a thing (unlike today) the far majority of tragic accidents happened with them. I can name a lot of them from my head but I don't think it is necessary. Only here in Czechia we had more than 10 dead from gr.N accidents (most of them spectators). In most cases the reason was the same - uncontrolled rebound of the powered rear axle which was caused mainly by too short suspension travel. Simply said bouncing cars are always spectacular but also always dangerous.
Several examples of the uncontrolled rear axle rebound after a short youtube search.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF9WuVrd8so (this one ended tragically for one spectactor)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Ocf5KwVr0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SOeOa13ypo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gb0dmFdUAQ
https://youtu.be/9Wj-WX-h5B4?t=199 (not an accident but an extreme case of a gr.N car with very short rear axle travel, in this case the rear axle was not driven so it could not cause a spin)
No, I am sorry but it isn't that easy. 2011 WRC cars and R5/Rally2 cars have the same turbo boost but also different restrictor size and often also different bore/stroke ratio. The WRC cars had the peak power in higher RPM than the R5/Rally2 have because there was enough air for feeding the engine in high rews. The R5/Rally2 have relatively flatter power band because they run out of air quickly. Simply said from the peak power to the RPM limiter the power is relatively constant because it is limited by the restrictor and the R5/Rally2 achieve the peak power about 1000-2000 RPM earlier.
It didn't go well in terms of reliability and I wrote about that. The problems had nothing to do with the performance.Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump
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14th January 2024, 18:38 #106
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Thank you for your response Mirek, and apologies for my abrupt reply as well. The only thing I have to add to that is I thought, aside from reliability, the Peugeot drivers thought the 4-speed box was a stupid idea and were waiting for the team to relent and switch back to 5? Anyway it’s beside the point…
More interesting reading on the 2011 WRC cars. I actually had a good look at the ‘boxes on display at the Sadev stand at Autosport International yesterday, but I didn’t have enough confidence in the engineering knowledge of the chaps manning that particular stall to ask any technical questions
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15th January 2024, 08:12 #107
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+10 on those replies regarding tone of voice.
This is the level I want to see in all discussions, although I know I wasn´t best representative of it, years ago...
Nowadays I always try to be polite, but sometimes everyone risks to go wild after being provoked. Even so me.
But guys - this above is good example, I think."Reis vas pät pat kaar vas kut"
Tommi Mäkinen, back in the years...
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15th January 2024, 18:53 #108
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Could we see a concept like we had in the past with wrc and rrc cars that had clear similarities, but were different in power and aero?
WRC2+ with more aero and 1 or 2 mm larger restrictor.
With upgrade kits for teams that want to do their local WRC round, to battle with the best!
A concept like that would imo give more top class cars in most rounds, and a better show for us!
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15th January 2024, 21:20 #109
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I recommend that specifics of restrictor sizes and locked differentials chat should go in main class in 2025 thread, else there are two similar conversations going on.
The chat here should have the long term future in mind and the path to get there, not next season. It could be whether the top tier of WRC should be accessible to, or even aimed at privateers, instead of being the showbiz/entertainment class for manufacturers it currently is. Alternatively put, picture the World Championship in 2030s, what does Rally2+ for 2025 mean?"It's not sport!" - Gilles Panizzi
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16th January 2024, 16:23 #110
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First leg he will be thinking in Portuguese championship. Then he can go for WRC2.
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