FIA Rally Working Group: the future of WRC and the rally sport

[WRCStan]

In ralying you can't compensate weight with power. It's not drag racing. Heavy cars are slow in corners.

Not disagreeing with you, would just like more chat on this.

As an example, Hyundai Ioniq 5 N is 2.2 tons, 600-650hp, this needs to be restrained to be Rally2 level. Range/itineraries, safety structures etc, aren't the point; getting it around any stage on any surface with any undulations in a thought experiment is the point. Why can't we compare it to a car half the weight with half the power?

[Mirek]

Not disagreeing with you, would just like more chat on this.

As an example, Hyundai Ioniq 5 N is 2.2 tons, 600-650hp, this needs to be restrained to be Rally2 level. Range/itineraries, safety structures etc, aren't the point; getting it around any stage on any surface with any undulations in a thought experiment is the point. Why can't we compare it to a car half the weight with half the power?

Ionic 5 N has 84kWh battery. That means that if you use full power it's done in 7 minutes*.

It makes no sense to speak about these maximum power figures of stock EVs because those numbers make no sense whatsoever for anything more than few hot starts on traffic lights. It has no meaning for racing use.

*About 9-10 minutes with recuperation.

[WRCStan]

It's OK, it's a short stage!

Remember the FIA and promoter reserve the right to completely fuck over everything we all know, enjoy and understand about this series and sport. Or, maybe they might create a second or comparison series.

[JRodrigues]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/ogier...tem-is-a-joke/

Ogier seems to agree with us.

Ogier likes to moan about everything and nothing, so no surprise.

[rallyfiend]

Ogier likes to moan about everything and nothing, so no surprise.

If he was still competing full time, I wonder which would be top of his moaning list:
- Road order
- Points system

[Andre Oliveira]

And he is right in both. Start order was changed when he was dominating (cleary the rule was made to stop that). About the points system, there is not need words when the winner of the rally can finish with less points the others. It is the complete negation of sport and winner merit.

[denkimi]

And he is right in both. Start order was changed when he was dominating (cleary the rule was made to stop that). About the points system, there is not need words when the winner of the rally can finish with less points the others. It is the complete negation of sport and winner merit.

The starting order rule is way older than ogier. But it was indeed made into 2 days of cleaning in 2015 to stop ogier, and then back into one day in 2017.

It's the most logical way to do the start order, number 1 starts first. But i must admit the cleaning gets too much sometimes. It would be better to have a wrc1 car as 0 to do the first cleaning.

[Backa]

It's the most logical way to do the start order, number 1 starts first. But i must admit the cleaning gets too much sometimes.

I would like for day 1 to change cleaning driver after every stage.

Stage 1: NEU EVA FOU OGI TAN KAT MIK MUN

Stage 2: EVA FOU OGI TAN KAT MIK MUN and NEU moved to back of WRC1 list

Stage 3: FOU OGI TAN KAT MIK MUN NEU and EVA moved to back

Relatively simple logistically and more fair.

[Andre Oliveira]

The most fair is QS.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier wasnt just moaning, he was backing up what most of the other drivers said when asked about the new points system.