Top 10 best WRC drivers

[Danny0405]

Hello,
As we will enter a 2-month break in WRC, I would be interested to see opinions from the forum on the best drivers all-time in WRC (and not a WRC.com polls). No necessity to rank them if you don’t want to but it can be interesting to match the opinions.

My personal top10 (tough decision for 1-2, 3-4, 6-8 and for sure 10th):

1. Loeb, difficult to decide with Ogier but I see him as a more «*pure*» rally driver than Ogier; maybe last Monte Carlo has an influence. But clearly a questionable choice.

2. Ogier, they are almost 1-2 in all records rankings in WRC, he wins with multiple brands (which reduces a little Kankkunen and Sainz performance)

3. Kankkunen, tough call with Sainz as they both have quite a lengthy career (14 years between first and last win) and successes with multiple manufacturers. I would put the Finnish ahead but I don’t know really why; maybe more efficiency in title contention.

4. Sainz for the reason explain ahead. Also a big versatility with the grounds he took his win. Could have been higher but bad luck and bad career choices limits his record (like Alonso in F1 from a certain perspective).

5. Makinen, the definition of a winner in his era; but Loeb and Ogier did even better. And his career at the highest level was a little short compared with Kankkunen and Sainz.

6. McRae, close call again with 7th and 8th. It’s always difficult to separate the hype from the real level (a little like Jonah Lomu in rugby, he was a little overrated at an era where the media star system has skyrocketed). But still, he was a big driver, able of everything.

7. Gronholm, Loeb’s main competitor. His career at high-level was a little short (especially because he obtains a top job quite late) to be higher.

8. Auriol; Quite underrated driver for me, 20 wins against some of the best drivers all-time and quite a long span (13 years between 1st and last win and with 4 brands even if he was often in the best car). Probably that his difficult period after Toyota’s disqualification in 1995 has not helped his legacy.

9. Röhrl, quite a strange character but a great driver, his Monte Carlo performances were among the best. Not versatile enough to be higher in my opinion even if it was clearly less common in his era to have the versatility of the current drivers (and he was not awful for non-fast gravel rallies). A little short in terms of time span at the highest level also.

10. Alen, always difficult to choose a last one (Mikkola was my main competitor). His large time span at a good level (19 years between 1st and last Finland podium) and his versatility compared with others was the main factor to pick him.

Question mark on Richard Burns: wouldn’t have been top 3 I think but without what we know, he could have been on top 10.

[AnttiL]

A while ago I made this data table where I give points for drivers based on their achievements. You get points for rally wins, stage wins, championship titles, wins and titles with different manufacturers, starts, podium percentage etc. Of course it depends a bit on how you weight things, but the top four stays, no matter what you do.

[AndyRAC]

There's a trend to put modern sports stars higher than older ones in these type of ratings - it's called recency bias. The modern drivers have far more events to score in, and over much shorter events. It's virtually a different sport.

I think Loeb is probably No1, as his success, longevity and age and still winning is pretty unbeatable. After Loeb it's difficult; I personally would put 3-4, and possibly even more drivers ahead of Ogier.

[AnttiL]

I think Loeb is probably No1, as his success, longevity and age and still winning is pretty unbeatable. After Loeb it's difficult; I personally would put 3-4, and possibly even more drivers ahead of Ogier.

You must really hate Ogier Look at the stats above, he's the clear number two on number of titles, number of rally wins, win percentage and podium percentage.

[focus206]

I think an underrated WRC champion is Björn Waldegård (I gave him the honour of copying his name from Google as I don't have all those letters in my keyboard )
When he won the championship in 1979 he was already a top driver on the international scene since a decade, being especially successful with Porsche 911, Lancia Stratos and Ford Escort. I remember reading on a motorsport history topic that that he would have been the highest scoring driver (and therefore a very unofficial driver champion) in the WRC manufacturers championships of 1970, 1975 and 1977. I could be wrong though, I remember there were discussions about some results. Very good on snow and gravel of course, but good driver on asphalt too, which was not so common for Scandinavians.
Of course comparison between drivers from the 70s and today's drivers are difficult, quite different sports...

[AnttiL]

Of course comparison between drivers from the 70s and today's drivers are difficult, quite different sports...

Only a few drivers did extensive WRC programs. ERC and national series or marathon specials had also high value, and teams wanted to use specialists.

[AndyRAC]

You must really hate Ogier Look at the stats above, he's the clear number two on number of titles, number of rally wins, win percentage and podium percentage.

Stats mean very little - and don't tell the whole story - I just don't think he's No 2 in an all time list of WRC drivers.....

[AnttiL]

Stats mean very little - and don't tell the whole story - I just don't think he's No 2 in an all time list of WRC drivers.....

Well, some people don't think Loeb is No 1 either...

[djip]

There's a trend to put modern sports stars higher than older ones in these type of ratings - it's called recency bias. The modern drivers have far more events to score in, and over much shorter events. It's virtually a different sport.

i agree and ranking hence means nothing (even if what Loeb has achieved is just phenomenal ...). Someone had mentioned Waldegard, a true all-rounder, what about Erik Carlsson, the very first "star" ? Hannu Mikkola who won almost everything (the first to break the Safari foreigners "curse"), save for Monte Carlo ? Rauno Aaltonen who "invented" the modern rally driver ? Jean-Luc Thérier, so gifted that he would show up with no recce, borrow pacenote from a teammate and win a rally ? Bohringer who started very late (aged 34, courtsey of russian post war camps) and still managed a great carreer ? And let's not forget Pat Moss and Michèle Mouton, the only two female drivers that made it to the very top and competed against the boys year-in, year-out ... It's an endless list and instead of going the "top10", youtube-friendly route, we shall just remember all the greats ...

[AnttiL]

If we're talking about the best WRC drivers we must start from 1973. For example Mikkola, Aaltonen and Timo Mäkinen achieved much already before that.

But if we're just talking about the best rally drivers ever, it's more complicated. Does Paris-Dakar count? London-Mexico? National championships?