WRC main class in 2025

[saco0o]

well well well... subaru's performance new boss wants to go back to wrc
https://www.drive.com.au/news/subaru...o-world-rally/

[macebig]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/sainz...c-great-again/
Spot on. Similar rules to Group A are needed. Especially if they can make base cars available widely and allow parts off the shelf like back in the day. Cut the ultra expensive crap and near prototype vehicles.

[WRCStan]

Spot on. Similar rules to Group A are needed. Especially if they can make base cars available widely and allow parts off the shelf like back in the day. Cut the ultra expensive crap and near prototype vehicles.

Such as?


*GR Yaris... (yes, yes)
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Edit: Maybe Rally3 is the answer for Macebig. ? Those are the similar 'improved production cars' rules.

[saco0o]

i agree with sainz on that and i continue to think manufacturers should be able to build hybrid/ev/hydrogen rally2 cars for their factory teams using a "power to weight ratio" form of b.o.p. to keep everybody on the same spec but THE MOMENT fia announce "lets go to rally2 cars because what carlos said is what we believe too", we will all going to enter mode "no, but we are top and special like f1 and motogp. we are not a national championship. need prototypes". lol we are so screwed because of ourselves.

[Mirek]

i agree with sainz on that and i continue to think manufacturers should be able to build hybrid/ev/hydrogen rally2 cars for their factory teams using a "power to weight ratio" form of b.o.p. to keep everybody on the same spec but THE MOMENT fia announce "lets go to rally2 cars because what carlos said is what we believe too", we will all going to enter mode "no, but we are top and special like f1 and motogp. we are not a national championship. need prototypes". lol we are so screwed because of ourselves.

Power to weight ratio doesn't bring otherwise different designes to the same level. That is total misconception completely ignoring other differencies such as drivetrain, suspension, aero, weight ballance, center of gravity, inertias etc.

Bringing different cars to the same performance level is way more complicated and in fact it's impossible to universally level them for every conditions. Some designs will be always in advantage against others depending on the particular event conditions.

[Mirek]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/sainz...c-great-again/
Spot on. Similar rules to Group A are needed. Especially if they can make base cars available widely and allow parts off the shelf like back in the day. Cut the ultra expensive crap and near prototype vehicles.

Group A-like rules are useless in 2024. Actually that idea run out of steam already nearly 30 years ago.

[macebig]

Group A-like rules are useless in 2024. Actually that idea run out of steam already nearly 30 years ago.

Not really. Rally 2 is still based on production bodyshells. That's step 1. Keep stock bodies with the addition of a tailgate rear wing and enforce off the shelf suspension and 4WD parts. Use the production engine stated on the homologation papers as the full rally engine (no significant alterations) and bop the engines via turbo pressures and weight like GT3 do. Allow privateers to homologate and run cars and that's it. It will definitely be better than the 6 car championship we are currently experiencing.

[Kenneth]

In that case we would have *check notes* yeah, Toyota GR Yaris. There is basically no other car that would work as you described.

[Mirek]

Not really. Rally 2 is still based on production bodyshells. That's step 1.

That doesn't make Rally2 rules in any way close to what gr.A rules were. Those are two completely different worlds.

[WRCStan]

Not really. Rally 2 is still based on production bodyshells. That's step 1. Keep stock bodies with the addition of a tailgate rear wing and enforce off the shelf suspension and 4WD parts. Use the production engine stated on the homologation papers as the full rally engine (no significant alterations)

So.... Rally3?