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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCStan View Post
    I was thinking more abuse they get for fucking things up, particularly the president.
    F1 has been determined to get rid of him since he was elected; he's not from their world - and isn't suitable in their eyes. No other series has a problem with him, only F1.......

    Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by macebig View Post
    Overrule them. Teams are clearly putting their own interests over the interests of the sport. Toyota wants to retain the status quo, Hyundai is one foot out the door and Ford doesn't have anything to replace the Puma atm. Keeping Rally 1s as they are is a death sentence for WRC.
    I recommend to read Plutos post
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    Quote Originally Posted by macebig View Post
    Overrule them. Teams are clearly putting their own interests over the interests of the sport.
    Not sure if potentially losing Toyota, Hyundai and M-Sport would be better than finding some common ground. WRC keeping hybrids for 2025 and 2026 is not death sentence.

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    I think the ‘real’ aims of the discussions will become evident soon enough. For me I suspect the FIA/Promoter want the teams to commit to running more cars in the short term to keep the rules stable. I don’t believe this combined Rally 1-/Rally 2+ thing was anything more than a motivation to the teams to negotiate a better field of Rally 1 cars in the short term.
    I might be wrong of course, but let’s see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PLuto View Post
    For manufacturers it is also a bad signal that regulations and guarantee limits can be easily broken. So stability and confidence to the rules can be easily lost...
    I think this is the main issue rather than what is technically possible. Let's see where it leads, if they compromise and keep the cars but add an extra car each for young drivers it would be fine for me, but keeping 8 cars for 2 more years is not appealing to me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by doubled1978 View Post
    I think the ‘real’ aims of the discussions will become evident soon enough. For me I suspect the FIA/Promoter want the teams to commit to running more cars in the short term to keep the rules stable. I don’t believe this combined Rally 1-/Rally 2+ thing was anything more than a motivation to the teams to negotiate a better field of Rally 1 cars in the short term.
    I might be wrong of course, but let’s see.
    That would actually be quite a nice scenario.

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    With all the bickering and all these things, they should've discussed the regulations for 2027 and have something finalised and not get to the end of 2025 with barely knowing what will be the regulations for 2027.
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    Quote Originally Posted by becher View Post
    That would actually be quite a nice scenario.
    It’s a tactic as old as time, announce a plan that the teams really don’t want and negotiate back to the point you really wanted to get to in the first place.

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    Toyota were taking the 'new Regs' seriously, already testing a 2025-spec Rally1...


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    on the positive side, its impressive toyota's commitment with rallying. they signed the petition for fia to keep the hybrids (together with hyundai and msport) and they are already testing rally1- and rally2+. thats honestly really incredible. that is commitment, not just politics. putting their wallet where their mouth is. incredible imo.

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