WRC future

[AnttiL]

AnttiL, you keep suggesting that the current Rally2 cars aren’t up to the job of a power increase etc, but couldn’t they just beef everything (suspension / shafts etc) up a little, so the cars can handle more power / harder driving etc?

There goes the cost savings and "having already a number of cars / teams on the start line"

[AnttiL]

Also read this about the difference between the WRC/Rally1 GRE engine and the Rally2 engine

On source said: “While the potential for working from a Rally2 [R5] base engine might have been more economic, it would have raised questions over reliability and durability as well as performance.

“We would need to have more [Rally2-based] engines to get through the season, whereas we can make the GRE last longer.”

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc-k...2-hybrid-move/

and comments from Lappi

“I have experience from the R5 which is definitely weaker than the WRC.

“I lost a couple of times the wheel already on the R5. And now I’ve got used to the go flat out everywhere [style of a World Rally car], so then I’ll need to start to remind myself of four years ago and try to be smart.”

https://dirtfish.com/rally/how-propo...riving-styles/

[TypeR]

It was the nature of the sport, just these last years it has been close to no technical errors.

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Well.. I bet Tänak's fans can make a nice list of technical errors..
+ others also..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Back on noise and R5's... some did sound pretty good and loud:

https://youtu.be/vip4mlImlTg

https://youtu.be/plzr19eRmYs

[T16]

Back on noise and R5's... some did sound pretty good and loud:

https://youtu.be/vip4mlImlTg

https://youtu.be/plzr19eRmYs

I think many on here are talking about what they’re like live on a stage, not just on screen.
If you have ever seen one compared to a 2017 WRC car, you may understand the difference.

[T16]

That's not the point. Point is make a better (and cheaper) top tier category. moving the second tier to be first as it is doesn't seem enough. nor pumping it to better performance, as would be same as what's is already there.

So how do they make it ‘better and cheaper’ then?

[Mirek]

So how do they make it ‘better and cheaper’ then?

First thing you can do for the works teams to make things cheaper and much easier is to get rid of stock bodyshell. Make it like Dakar. With the hybrids it makes even more sense to design a prototype spaceframe which suits perfectly without a need to pay gazillion hours of experts trying to modify a thing designed for something completely different and by people who can change the thing anytime for their own purpose and thus further comlicate your work.

IMHO it's not a good idea to promote the Rally2/R5 to be the top tier because it has served exceptionally well to the privateers and I'am afraid that once works teams start to compete with these cars in the WRC they would only become more complex, more expensive and harder to maintain. Plus of course they lack the wow effect which is needed at the top level.

[T16]

First thing you can do for the works teams to make things cheaper and much easier is to get rid of stock bodyshell. Make it like Dakar. With the hybrids it makes even more sense to design a prototype spaceframe which suits perfectly without a need to pay gazillion hours of experts trying to modify a thing designed for something completely different and by people who can change the thing anytime for their own purpose and thus further comlicate your work.

IMHO it's not a good idea to promote the Rally2/R5 to be the top tier because it has served exceptionally well to the privateers and I'am afraid that once works teams start to compete with these cars in the WRC they would only become more complex, more expensive and harder to maintain. Plus of course they lack the wow effect which is needed at the top level.

Interesting point on the body shell. I wonder what the cost saving might be as a %age of the overall running cost for a team versus current?

[wyler]

So how do they make it ‘better and cheaper’ then?

go back in the discussion, there's plenty of ideas.
Fia is talking with manus to share some common ground, personally I think they're eyeing at some good point (common cage, standard hybrid, scalable bodyshell)

[T16]

go back in the discussion, there's plenty of ideas.
Fia is talking with manus to share some common ground, personally I think they're eyeing at some good point (common cage, standard hybrid, scalable bodyshell)

I have followed it closely. Apart from Mirek's comment on the body shell above (and potentially using the rally2 formula) I genuinely can't remember seeing much about making it cheaper. I don't understand what you mean by better. Is it the discussion that's around the cars moving around a little more if the suspension changes?
Genuinely interested in what might make it both better and cheaper, but I got the impression from this thread that it was going to become more expensive (Hybrid unit) and potentially not as good to watch (slower) if the Rally2 format was adopted?