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    Further to my previous post about the mystery white glow at the backs of the cars, I think David Coulthard referred to it when he described the Ferrari as "breathing heavily", so perhaps it it oil vapour or faint smoke.

    When I looked for the other cars doing it, I could only see it from the Ferraris, Haas and Saubers, so it's presumably a Ferrari characteristic.

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    Congrats Seb, what a brilliant endurance race, not a fot wrong. Gasly, Toro rosso and HONDA, what a show!!!

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    Well. I suppose if you can't criticise him for outqualifying Hamilton, then it's lucky for such critics are able to diminish Bottas because he didn't win the race.

    Quote Originally Posted by N4D13 View Post
    journeyman racer, you usually are a very sensible poster, but I must say that lately you're looking a lot like an unreasonable fanboy. It's OK to appreciate Ricciardo, but you don't need to look down on other drivers to make him look better by comparison.

    While I agree that Verstappen is a tad overrated, there's no denying that the guy has buckets of potential and that he could turn into a great if he manages to temper that hot head of his.
    Feel free to quote specific lines from mine that particularly annoy. As a general opinion doesn't give me any insight as to what bothers you.

    Regarding Verstappen. He's already consigned as an all time great, even though he's win just as many races as Thierry Boutsen. I'd rather applaud someone after the fact.

    Consider the anticipation of Hamilton's career? Atfer Brazil 08, his fans and British media assumed without hesitation that he'd achieve the results he's achieved now. It's just they thought he'd achieve this results by the end of 13, not since 13!

    That's six years of overwhelming Hamilton gushing, while Vettel blew away his stats, and Alonso banged in a series of seasons and performances that increase his reputation beyond even winning two titles did, and elevated him above Hamilton and Vettel, despite having never won a title with either of them there, despite whatever Hamilton's unexpected performances in 07 did to diminish his reputation.

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    Though I would usually agree and respect your opinion Bagwan, I see it more as trolling for an argument based on a thread that has already died. If anyone didn't wish to continue a debate there, why drag it into here?

    And I actually quite like Ricciardo and Max both. If I were in a position to have one on a team, it would be a tough decision. One is more calculated, seasoned, and generally a bit more predictable on track. The other is younger, aggressive, a wet weather terror, and maturing with time.


    But back to reasoned discussion at hand, would it be fair if I said Ricciardo was a complete potato for hitting the wall during qually in Baku and causing a red flag? I think it would just add flames to the fire, and would rather bring up that virtually EVERY driver at some point does something similar. I'm usually one to be all in for any [i][b]reasoned and sensible[\i][\b] debate, opinion and dialogue. But at times it seems that certain combinations lately are just getting away from any fact based debate and well into the grey area of opinions.
    TBK and Nitrodaze made sweeping generalisations in the Aus GP that had to be called out. It had to be carried into here to highlight how insignificant pointless it was making such generalisations two weeks ago was.

    To clarify my point. truefan was quick to diminish Bottas itt. I think you'll that truefan made similar criticisms of Bottas in last year's Bahrain GP thread. Something like that he's not up to it? Well, what happened in the following race?

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    I slightly cringed and shivered when I saw the accident during Raikkonen's pit stop. I rewound the "tape" to make sure I saw it right. It was clear that the Ferrari mechanic's leg, the one who was holding the rear left replacement tire, was broken (as in fractured) in one or two places because it certainly twisted in ways the legs of healthy humans don't when he was being run over by Raikkonen's car. I wish him to get well soon, and I am kind of pondering whether there is a need for more severe penalties for these types of incidents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zako85 View Post
    I slightly cringed and shivered when I saw the accident during Raikkonen's pit stop. I rewound the "tape" to make sure I saw it right. It was clear that the Ferrari mechanic's leg, the one who was holding the rear left replacement tire, was broken (as in fractured) in one or two places because it certainly twisted in ways the legs of healthy humans don't when he was being run over by Raikkonen's car. I wish him to get well soon, and I am kind of pondering whether there is a need for more severe penalties for these types of incidents.
    Mind you, there are already penalties in place to avoid this kind of thing, not that losing a car and potentially throwing away a double podium finish isn't enough of a penalty on its own. I don't think lack of penalties is the case. Instead, something should be done to reduce the risk of accidents happening. For instance, do we think that stuff such as Räikkönen's accident or the Haas' double DNF in Oz would have happened if there was a, let's say, 5 or 6 second minimum pitstop time? Of course this would take away the "fun" of people overtaking each other during pitstops, although truth be told, we hardly see any of these nowadays.

    Quote Originally Posted by journeyman racer View Post
    Feel free to quote specific lines from mine that particularly annoy. As a general opinion doesn't give me any insight as to what bothers you.
    All right, here's one such line:

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    The supposed talent Verstappen has is overblown. They guy is such a potato, he managed to do something that's almost impossible to do. That is, crashing on his own in Bahrain. I mean, count how often a single car crashes in Bahrain?
    Calling such an obviously talented driver a "potato" is beneath you. On top of that, it's not that hard to crash in Bahrain; you just need to pick the right corner, one with a wall next to it, and spin there. If I'm not very much mistaken, I recall a certain Lewis Hamilton doing just that several years ago as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    2. Ricciados shelf life at Redbull just got shorter
    I reckon that number 3 will be on a red car next year; in place of a 7.


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    4. Mclaren may have been too hasty on their decision on the Honda engine. Considering that both Mclaren powered by a Renault engine qualified outside the top ten and behind both Torro Rosso.
    Nah.

    Honda would have been happy to play the bumbling game forever. It's in their DNA and proven in bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
    I reckon that number 3 will be on a red car next year; in place of a 7.




    Nah.

    Honda would have been happy to play the bumbling game forever. It's in their DNA and proven in bikes.
    Or in place of a number 77 :-)

    Mclaren's Eric's face told a different story after the race. That said, l would love to know what Mclaren's pac e problem was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N4D13 View Post
    Mind you, there are already penalties in place to avoid this kind of thing, not that losing a car and potentially throwing away a double podium finish isn't enough of a penalty on its own. I don't think lack of penalties is the case. Instead, something should be done to reduce the risk of accidents happening. For instance, do we think that stuff such as Räikkönen's accident or the Haas' double DNF in Oz would have happened if there was a, let's say, 5 or 6 second minimum pitstop time? Of course this would take away the "fun" of people overtaking each other during pitstops, although truth be told, we hardly see any of these nowadays.
    That's one possible solution. Make it maybe 5 seconds. That's double what some teams do now, but still enough to have a better chance of not having more of Sunday's error. And 5 sec is still short enough to not affect the out comes and positions too much.
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    Damn , you guys !
    This doesn't happen often enough to change anything .

    It's not that I don't feel for the poor cat with the broken leg , but let's not react in a "knee jerk"(notice , don't pardon the pun) way .

    I'd bet that he tried very hard to attain that position and takes huge pride in the speed of his team .
    And , I'd bet he would be horrified to think he had any part in taking away that pride for his crew .

    They should ask him .

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    I think Fred deserves a shout out. Not likely to last but he occupy s 4th place in the drivers championship,and very quietly moved from 13th to 7th in Bahrain!
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