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    Quote Originally Posted by PLuto View Post
    But thats one of the reasons why they started with power stage - allow score points (give motivation) also for drivers who retired before...

    Seems that may be the critical thing that creates some problems..

    Traditionally, you crash and can't continue and go over MPL, you're out. No hit the Reset button.

    Now, since you can that means you can be in PS and score some points over some guys who drove the entire route who didn't stuff it so hard they could not continue..

    It seems to me to be a violation of logic that somebody who scored zero on one or several SSs should be allowed to beat (score points) more than somebody who scored anything on ALL the SSs..
    But I look at it from perspective of long term competitor not somebody who came to the sport playing video games--which is probably the decisive difference..
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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    Back to 3-2-1 IMO.
    Yes!
    Or delete it or launch a "Power Stage Championship" with some manufacturers bonus points.

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    3-2-1 was the best option. You had the same results (some driver pushing to get points in an otherwise cruising stage) but with less impact on rankings.
    IMO 5 points are too many. Not nice that the 3rd driver can get more point than the guy one step ahead in the podium. Not to mention rally2 crews getting more points than the car in 8th position

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    Quote Originally Posted by janvanvurpa View Post
    Seems that may be the critical thing that creates some problems..

    Traditionally, you crash and can't continue and go over MPL, you're out. No hit the Reset button.

    Now, since you can that means you can be in PS and score some points over some guys who drove the entire route who didn't stuff it so hard they could not continue..

    It seems to me to be a violation of logic that somebody who scored zero on one or several SSs should be allowed to beat 9score points) more than somebody who scored anything on ALL the SSs..
    But I look at it from perspective of long term competitor not somebody who came to the sport playing video games--which is probably the decisive difference..
    Maybe retirees from crashes cannot score PS points but those affected by mechanical issues can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub_Skoda View Post
    Yes!
    Or delete it or launch a "Power Stage Championship" with some manufacturers bonus points.
    Smart!
    Thinking about that it is the factory teams mainly who can do a complete rebuild of a serious crashed car..

    So a driver who crashes the car completely to hell, he lose any point possibility.

    But the manufacturer team which can put it back together, well OK, they win some Manufacturer points.

    why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve.mandzij View Post
    Maybe there can't be a rule preventing this that wouldn't exclude the bottom half of point scorers from PS points but it does raise an issue.
    As was mentioned before.

    All timepenalties for late or early TCs on Sunday will count both towards total time but also towards Power Stage time.

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    Rally2 was invented to make sure spectators saw at least a few rally cars on sunday. But without power stage, rally2 loses most of its purpose. If there are no points to be won, nobody will restart, and spectators might not come back on sunday.

    if we want to ban rally2, then we need to allow flying service after each stage again.
    Last edited by denkimi; 20th February 2018 at 22:17.

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    This 5 point system is no other that complaining crying baby's idea who is always on worst conditions everywhere.

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    It is quite stupid to award 5 points for one relatively short stage, whereas other gets less for a 8. place finish driving throughout the weekend. Same for a podium finish, after 2. place the next can score more points than the previous finisher. Not really logical. 3-2-1 would be a more fair bonus.
    Last edited by Tarmop; 20th February 2018 at 20:52.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarmop View Post
    It is quite stupid to award 5 points for one relatively short stage, whereas other gets less for a 8. place finish driving throughout the weekend. Same for a podium finish, after 2. place the next can score more points than the previous finisher. Not really logical. 3-2-1 would be a more fair bonus.
    The same applies to the day point scoring system, and quite few people believe it is genuinely good idea. Why not bring back the old rally, with marathon rallies and stages, 2-3 stages at night for a day, without rally2, the fastest driver always open the roads? - Because we can't, rally is not the same like it was 30-40 years before, when almost everything depended on drivers' capabilities, and not so much about the cars, until Group B days anyway. Oh, and there were no historic cars running between WRC runs, what historic cars?!? Wishful thinking is one thing, reality - another. Current PS point scoring system is fair as the cars are now more equal package altogether with the crew. The sport has changed.... Like it or not.
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