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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRAC View Post
    Very smart & clever move - and entirely within the rules.
    It obviously isn't 'entirely within the rules' if he is penalised 4 minutes for it.

    It shows that the penalty isn't enough relative to powerstage points to prevent people breaking the rules though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    Sure, but I'm little curious anyway how did You saw a farm house on the wrc+ map?
    Google maps is a good help when you wonder what the **** is that road? Where does it lead? What's on it? I was hoping it was some sort of village party-place!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrvold View Post
    Google maps is a good help when you wonder what the **** is that road? Where does it lead? What's on it? I was hoping it was some sort of village party-place!
    Thanks, useful info. I'm like an aborigine in computers and technology and so. Don't ask me about Mathematics and Physics.
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    at second paragraph,Neuvilles opinion about Ogiers case.

    "It's nice to follow Loeb and Ogier on the list of non-Scandinavian winners here, it's a win like any other because they're all important, the start of the season is way better than last season. what follows is a little more complicated, we already know that we are going to suffer from the sweeping in Mexico, to go looking for a podium or even the top 5 will be difficult.On the regular, we can do 7th or 8th I think. There is some asphalt during some special stages, I hope to be competitive there, we will make sure to leave Mexico with a small lead in the championship to open the road to the Tour de Corse, "Neuville detailed at the microphone. our colleague Olivier Gaspard, special correspondent of RTBF in Sweden.

    Sébastien Ogier, one of Neuville's competitors for the league title, took advantage of a loophole in the rules to claim 'more points than expected'. "The rules exist to be exploited to the maximum, it proves that all the points will be important in the final count.There were three to play the title last year.We are 5 or 6 drivers this season, each point will count. the same if it's necessary, "concluded our countryman on the subject.
    https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/ra...era?id=9843583

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    Gilsoul has a bit different view

    Although he was a bit mocked Sebastien Ogier tweeting that he was very happy, he took the broom in Mexico, Nicolas Gilsoul began by defending him on his bad mood of the weekend.
    "His frustration is legitimate," says teammate Thierry Neuville. "The weather conditions did not work in his favor. But above all it is not normal that we pass a historic rally between the two passages of the WRC. They use other trajectories and this increases the difficulty for those who open. I understand they are doing this for a cost issue, but at this level of the world, with points and a title at stake, this should not be allowed. "
    The Liege also explained exactly what happened with Seb Ogier during the last stage. "As in life or business, there are rules and everyone uses them in his own way, although in some cases it can convey a more or less interesting image. That Sebastien has chosen to point 25 minutes late, being at the limit of the out of race, to benefit from a better starting position is one thing. It is acceptable. But what disturbs me a bit is that the organizers did not send him to the place where he should have. Since everything was already organized for TV, they made him wait and leave after us when he should have started three or four cars in front of logically. The promoters have all the rights today and so they have clearly increased their advantage. This is not normal and it must be reviewed in the future because otherwise it is royal casino. There is no rule for that. It is left to their free appreciation. In Mexico if they want, they can let two or three local first if they wish because there is not much WRC. But that's not normal. We are in the World Championship and we need a strict and equivalent rule for everyone everywhere. "
    Nicolas is absolutely right. This is a point to modify and settle as soon as possible by Yves Matton, the new FIA rally manager.

    http://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/n...medium=twitter

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    Thanks, useful info. I'm like an aborigine in computers and technology and so. Don't ask me about Mathematics and Physics.
    That's a deal, but only if you don't ask me about it either! When we started to have letters in Maths I fell off! ^^,

    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    at second paragraph,Neuvilles opinion about Ogiers case.

    "It's nice to follow Loeb and Ogier on the list of non-Scandinavian winners here, it's a win like any other because they're all important, the start of the season is way better than last season. what follows is a little more complicated, we already know that we are going to suffer from the sweeping in Mexico, to go looking for a podium or even the top 5 will be difficult.On the regular, we can do 7th or 8th I think. There is some asphalt during some special stages, I hope to be competitive there, we will make sure to leave Mexico with a small lead in the championship to open the road to the Tour de Corse, "Neuville detailed at the microphone. our colleague Olivier Gaspard, special correspondent of RTBF in Sweden.

    Sébastien Ogier, one of Neuville's competitors for the league title, took advantage of a loophole in the rules to claim 'more points than expected'. "The rules exist to be exploited to the maximum, it proves that all the points will be important in the final count.There were three to play the title last year.We are 5 or 6 drivers this season, each point will count. the same if it's necessary, "concluded our countryman on the subject.
    https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/ra...era?id=9843583
    Yup, Ogier have opened a can of worms now.

    Interesting to see Mikkelsen mentioning that they talked about it while they were at VW as well, but that VW (Capito) told them a strict no about such things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrvold View Post
    When we started to have letters in Maths I fell off! ^^,
    Yeah I know, it's hard life.
    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4IRMYuE1hI

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    Some thoughts about starting order. Why we need reverse start order anyway? If I understand correctly it was made, that nobody lose some seconds on purpose, to get better starting position next day? Now, we have witnessed some situation with clever (or unfair) choosing position for starting stage. If fastest driver always being first on road, after regroup for last days results, we would never had this Sweden situation, everyone has to in front for some stages. Of course this work better if it be 3 full days of stages (well, it depends on itinerary, stage lengths and etc.)
    Sweden situation was because history cars, but on other rallies, where starting order is crucial, it, kind of, is unfair. Let say we have 4 teams, with 3 drivers, and 8 of them all is on +/- same level, and we have 2 specialists, so 1 in order will be 10th after 1st day, 10 in order will be 1st, next day we have reverse order, and 10th will start 1st, and leader will start 10th, so his lead will grow again.
    So why there isn't anymore, that fastest driver of rally is always 1st on read?

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    Quote Originally Posted by electroliquid View Post
    So why there isn't anymore, that fastest driver of rally is always 1st on read?
    Remember the late 90's when drivers were stopping at the ends of last stages to drop back some positions for better road position? That's why.

    There would be no point to push for win on Friday when all of that would be destroyed on Saturday by opening the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Remember the late 90's when drivers were stopping at the ends of last stages to drop back some positions for better road position? That's why.

    There would be no point to push for win on Friday when all of that would be destroyed on Saturday by opening the road.
    Net really remember that, but I know what you mean. Maybe points after each day like ERC would be solution?

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