WRC Driver Conduct On Road Sections - Case Tänak at Monte Carlo

[Indreq]

Nah I actually get their idea. The thing which bugs me is the western civilization has lived in their own bubble too long. Coming from the other side of idiocy (Soviet Union) I now see different side of progression of stupidity. It's like EU trying to decide what is the right curve of the banana

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I was waiting for this discussion to get there Having also been there, i can see that we are actually walking in circles. First there was communist ideology in some perverted socialist union, where strange things were condemned, then came liberation and perhaps too much freedom, where crime flourished and following law was arbitrary for many people, but where also were more free than they had been in long time, and now we are getting to new kind of controlled culture, time of snowflakes, SJWs, people losing their ability to think and to mind their own business. In principle i agree that everybody has to follow the law and what Tänak did was probably illegal to some degree. But I also support the freedom to break the law in some minor and harmless ways just time-to-time - after all, progress comes from change, many todays laws can be traced back to some people breaking old laws which has led to establishing new ones. Use of common sense should be protected at all times, especially from enforcing excessive punishments for minor breakings of law - like some dude demands disqualifications and stuff here. It like North Korea, where whole families are inprisoned if one member of family picks up rotting potato from roadside. And this is not even to make example - its their law, so is this justified?

[cali]

I was waiting for this discussion to get there Having also been there, i can see that we are actually walking in circles. First there was communist ideology in some perverted socialist union, where strange things were condemned, then came liberation and perhaps too much freedom, where crime flourished and following law was arbitrary for many people, but where also were more free than they had been in long time, and now we are getting to new kind of controlled culture, time of snowflakes, SJWs, people losing their ability to think and to mind their own business. In principle i agree that everybody has to follow the law and what Tänak did was probably illegal to some degree. But I also support the freedom to break the law in some minor and harmless ways just time-to-time - after all, progress comes from change, many todays laws can be traced back to some people breaking old laws which has led to establishing new ones. Use of common sense should be protected at all times, especially from enforcing excessive punishments for minor breakings of law - like some dude demands disqualifications and stuff here. It like North Korea, where whole families are inprisoned if one member of family picks up rotting potato from roadside. And this is not even to make example - its their law, so is this justified?

Spot on mate!

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[Franky]

Can we stay on topic please and leave out all the silly remarks regarding nationalism, snowflake generation, world being doomed etc.

But can you really leave it out? Okay, nationalism isn't on topic. But others? It's like being politically correct? How far are you willing to go to please the system?

It's like having politically correct PR-trained monkeys as drivers who tell no matter what that the car is great, the stage was great, everything is awesome (And the Everything is Awesome song from the Lego Movie becomes the new WRC theme song) and so on.

It's life. Things come and go. And this kind of media attention lasts only as long as people keep clicking. And besides that next Monday I'm sure that 90% of the people who clicked, won't even remember it. Except the rally forums as the damn discussion is a vicious circle.

If you'd want to do have some common sense, then you need to crack down on the massive infringements like the crazy speedings. And if you still want to punish anything that doesn't comply with the system even then, then do it step by step. Or even better, autonomous road mode.

[AnttiK7]

I've got a lot of respect for his video work, they're masterpieces, if we are indeed talking to Antti Kalhola. But I find it amazing that with everything that has occurred in the WRC over the last couple of years, this is what spurs anyone to start conversing with the forum.

Yes admittedly I am not an active forum poster on any forum, but this time I saw a valid point worth raising and did so, but yeah I also knew what to expect when posting it on a motorsport forum. I also raised the same issue on a Finnish forum and surprisingly everyone who commented there agreed with my view, which I thought was surprising. But yes I'm very passionate about rallying, WRC and motorsport in general, but I also believe WRC should keep pushing ahead and not getting stuck or accepting bad habits just because something has always been ok or accepted. And you have to start somewhere if you want to take action against irresponsible road driving and here's the case to kick the campaign off.

[ESTR]

Guy who post this thread, get over it. I bet you get some fines as well I I bet you didn't like it that much. And then blame all others except yourself. Just get over it. Don't be a kid and grow up...

[mknight]

see how close Ogier is doing donuts near a marshall.
my suggest is ban from 2018 championsip,and take back his 2017 championship.
we have to protect our sport.

*facepalm*

This is totally the same.

Good luck "protecting our sport" once a rallydriver causes a crash on a publlic road while he is doing 170 km/h cause he "has to catch time control"

[AnttiK7]

But can you really leave it out? Okay, nationalism isn't on topic. But others? It's like being politically correct? How far are you willing to go to please the system?

It's like having politically correct PR-trained monkeys as drivers who tell no matter what that the car is great, the stage was great, everything is awesome (And the Everything is Awesome song from the Lego Movie becomes the new WRC theme song) and so on..

It's not about political correctness though really, it's about common sense for me. I like when drivers speak their minds and I'm a big fan of Ogier for that, he hasn't been afraid to say what he thinks and I like that a lot in a champion. So no, I don't want "corporate puppies" driving the cars. But I definitely don't want rally drivers showboating in public roads in liaison sections either. I don't want that kind of "expression of personality".

[Tarmop]

Well, if You are trying to save the world, then don`t complain about it here. Write to organizers, FIA, Mäkinen, Toyoda, french Police, Tänak...

[Augury]

NOT being politically correct, people wondering if Loeb actually was a good driver and now this shit. Crazy times.

[CahunaKiwi]

The problem with everyone here saying "it was safe, he was in control, it's being blown out of proportion" is that to the general public who know nothing about motorsport and see this happening it reinforces all the negative stereotypes about boy racers and people hooning around in cars. It reflects badly on the sport when competitors drive like this in a public setting (not on closed roads) and tars legitimate motorsport competitors with the same brush.

I have been organising club motorsport events in NZ for over 25 years (and involved in the club longer than that). We have in the past lost the use of public roads because of competitors driving on the touring route in exactly this manner, with residents who saw it putting in complaints to council or the private property owners that prevented us from using the same roads in the future.