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30th January 2018, 16:30 #161
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I wonder what the person who uploaded the video thinks? If it had been me I'd never have uploaded it.
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30th January 2018, 16:31 #162
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30th January 2018, 16:32 #163
Exactly. Don't give the people who are against it valid arguments to make arguments for it stick.
I'm a big fan of Ogier and I have sympathies for Tanak as well. They should both be penalised for breaking traffic rules. I'll leave it up to the local police and government as well as the FIA respectively what that would be in any given case.Last edited by Watson; 30th January 2018 at 16:35.
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30th January 2018, 16:55 #164
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30th January 2018, 17:20 #165
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Toyota no, but FIA yes definitely. I would love to get a proper FIA clarification on this and how it is in line with their road traffic safety campaigns. And as far as I can see the point of the existence of this forum is to share our opinions and raise discussion about various things related to rallying, so I don't see any problem here whatsoever. Even if nothing happens because of these discussions, now more people are aware of the whole issue and the snowball rolls. It was only because the link was posted on another forum that I even found out about this myself. It more seems like the problem is that I have undesirable views on the matter for some people.[/QUOTE]
Few things:
If you want clarification, you need to ask the FIA then.
I think it has created a great debate and to be honest, I’m now torn 50/50 whether it was acceptable or not.
Don’t worry that there has been opposing reactions... take the sensible ones into account and discount the silly responses.... bit like life itself.
I do think you have created a little bit of a beast and you’ve probably put yourself in pole position to ask the question to the FIA. In my eyes, you need to follow this through properly.
Although his driving may seem irresponsible, I still think a massive fact in this is the surface he was on... kind of bambi on ice as opposed to ‘drifting on tarmac’...
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30th January 2018, 18:06 #166
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I'm no police officer but i would assume most of these?
*Basic rules for traffic.
Everyone should be careful and be alert and careful so that there is no danger or injury and that other traffic is not unnecessarily obstructed or disturbed.
Driver should also pay attention to those living near or staying on the road."
*Dangerous overtaking: Fine €135 Licence suspension 3 years. (Up to 3 years?)
*Reckless or careless driving. (Which is a pretty international law if I'm not wrong)
*Perturbing or obstructing traffic: Prison 2 years Fine €4,500 License suspension 3 years
Ogier: Using a mobile phone while driving a motor vehicle €135
https://www.french-property.com/guid...ving-offences/Last edited by SubaruNorway; 30th January 2018 at 18:18.
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30th January 2018, 18:20 #167
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In Ogier case you have old law
PHONING AT THE WHEEL BEWARE.... HANDS FREE mobile-phone use is banned in France. The new rule applies to all hands-free phones using a headset, bluetooth or wired. Drivers caught using a mobile phone while on the road in France are liable to an on-the-spot fine of 135 Euros – and 3 penalty points if they have a French driving licence. And from 2018 on immediate suspension of their licence (regardless of nationality). Statistics show that phoning at the wheel increases the risk of accident by a factor of three. The only type of mobile phone now legal to use in France while driving is one that is entirely hands-free and headphone free.
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30th January 2018, 18:26 #168
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So a voice controlled system is the only thing allowed if i understand it right?
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30th January 2018, 18:29 #169
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Yes only voice controlled in car built system.
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30th January 2018, 18:38 #170
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Overtaking? He was passing a car parked/stopped in a place where it is also forbidden internationally. He slowed down, assessed the situation.
Well, drift on ice can happen to everybody. Just slippier than expected.
What traffic was he obstructing? There was a stopped car obstructing traffic in a forbidden zone (maybe tech. issues or something, not blaming).
I am from Gran Canaria. I am absolutely convinced that there will be no problem with the rally.
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