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    Quote Originally Posted by PLuto View Post
    Stewards decided to give to Ogier fine 10 000 euro and suspended removing the points in drivers and teams championship.

    From my point of view, it is stupid decision.
    Yes it´s stupid but right one. Time penalty would have been wrong. And no penalty also would have been wrong. Time card is so important paper, so if you lose it you must get penalty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KKS View Post
    yep, but they can't check in before Tanak was checked. So if no TC19A late penalty for Ogier - it was before in queue to check-in.

    That's why I post about 1.12km and so little time (6min) between next TC. If Tanak arrive straight on time without any holding before - it's solid 3min late for Ogier
    Yes, but now we are talking about that strange decision of stewards. They are writing there that time card was handed over in a regroup. Which is a lie. It was handed over before regroup, before time control...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    Yes it´s stupid but right one. Time penalty would have been wrong. And no penalty also would have been wrong. Time card is so important paper, so if you lose it you must get penalty.
    I dont agree with last part of your sentece. When regulations talks about time card, they are writing about giving it in time control (start, stop). There is nothing what should be done meanwhile. Of course, if nobody brought that time card to them and Ogier should be in time control without time card, it is very simple - he cannot continue. But forgetting the card in previous TC and bringing it by another driver is different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Latvala made the same power stage mistake as last year?

    What a thriller to the end. What a drive by Neuville, beating Ogier by straight driving without big mistakes or setbacks from Ogier, a big mental step for Neuville. Watching the Neuville onboard from Cala Flumini was probably the greatest All Live moment so far, such crazy driving and fighting for fractions of seconds at the front. I think it was remarkable how far Ogier and Neuville were from the rest. And in a sense, the same was noticable yesterday between Lappi-Latvala and Paddon-Østberg.

    Also nice that Lappi got now two clean drives after a troubled start of the season, a podium well deserved. Good to see Latvala back on pace as well, it's still unclear whether the retirement was his own fault or not. Kind of same with Tänak.

    Breen has had a really difficult season apart from Sweden where the front runners suffered from the loose snow, but it seems he also has a lot of technical difficulties which always put him in a bad road position, ruining the rest of the rally. Paddon was also quite tame compared to his best days, maybe he took it easy because of the Portugal injury?
    I should say they were the only two motivated bringing maximum speed on that one. No other fights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itix View Post
    Curious question... Does the time card actually have any meaning these days in world rallying where everything is digital or is it just tradition and paperwork?
    Of course it is important, because the digital system doesn't work at all. At least there are correct times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PLuto View Post
    I dont agree with last part of your sentece. When regulations talks about time card, they are writing about giving it in time control (start, stop). There is nothing what should be done meanwhile. Of course, if nobody brought that time card to them and Ogier should be in time control without time card, it is very simple - he cannot continue. But forgetting the card in previous TC and bringing it by another driver is different story.
    it's completely Ogier problems how return a timecard, but... somebody at stage-end TC told to Tanak to deliver Ogier time-card.
    It will be clearly that Ogier by car or foot goes back and took time-card back. But it cause a some TC late penalty. But now it must be an exclusion

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    You can't drive back to TC. That's not allowed.
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    Great rally, good fight even in the last day, that's something very rare.

    About Ogier I don't think he should get a penalty, he didn't break any rules...

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    Don`t be stupid and advocate rallying on paper. We have an interetsing championship in our hands, all of them, especially no. 1 and 2. gave us a hell of a fight, wasteing lots of effort, money and risking their lives. 10k itself is quite absurd for something not even in the regulations and looks more like blackmailing, but it is what it is..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ESTR View Post
    Of course it is important, because the digital system doesn't work at all. At least there are correct times.
    Not always correct times in time cards... But it is important document for the crew to know correctly time of last TC/start and liaison time to next TC.

    Not everything hi-tech or digital is absolute win. And for example, we have few crews here in Czech who are not able to fill the entry form electronically and are still sending it hand-written by mail. Of course, usually older people...

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