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    Quote Originally Posted by m-ast View Post
    Not fully that, it also applies in the media zone before the entrance in the reagroup, so maybe there was the case
    did we have any boards which defines a start of media zones? But it does not matter. After SS19 and before La Pedraia regroup was no media zones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T View Post
    Its a clear exclusion... simple as that.

    Not fair of course, but still rules are rules...
    Well now that you've cleared it up for everyone I guess the discussion is over.

    I thought the Greeks basically invented philosophy and legal reasoning. You can't just say "It's a clear exclusion... simple as that" without explaining how such an exclusion would follow from reasonable interpretation of the written rules.



    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    Of course they are, but the meaning is almost the same. Supply is more of economic term and has more global meaning. And in the context of that, "supply" is more justified to receive something, by someone else on behalf of the supplier.
    You are right, although it would good if we could have a native French-speaking member try to interpret the French text of the rulebook, since that's the one that matters anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonnybobiche View Post
    So what the article says is this: The crew are not allowed to use or receive any manufactured material except those supplied by the organizer... The term "supplied" refers to the nature of the manufactured material, i.e. only manufactured materials supplied by the organizers are not prohibited. If "supplied" were intended to refer to the process of how an item is received by the crew, it would come at the end Art. 2.13, because it would also apply to the use or receipt of "spare parts, tools or equipment..."
    You see that marshals at the end of stage offer a bottle of water? It must be water from a rally HQ in a rally organisers bottle, otherwise it does not refers to the nature of the material

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKS View Post
    You see that marshals at the end of stage offer a bottle of water? It must be water from a rally HQ in a rally organisers bottle, otherwise it does not refers to the nature of the material
    For sure the manufacturer of that bottle didn't meant it to be supplied to the crew Nwhatever in whatever competition
    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
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    so we started to produce "if"'s and "what"'s

    Only real rule of 2.13 that crew can accept everything what organisers give it. Timecards, water, spare alternator belts.. whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKS View Post
    so we started to produce "if"'s and "what"'s
    Please exclude from that "we".
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post


    read the description... - https://www.gettyimages.ae/detail/ne...re-id970960316

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    Quote Originally Posted by danon View Post
    The marshal should not be allowed to hand over one's crew time card to another crew/member.
    Probably right, imagine the uproar if the marshall gave the time card to another competing crew to take to him, who then lost it (or 'lost it' ).

    The fault is still with the driver/codriver who left it behind to start with, but they would not be happy if they went back for it and someone else had taken it and not passed it on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrc2017 View Post
    no excitement without Meeke
    Meeke gone and we got probably the most exciting rally of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonnybobiche View Post
    The stewards decision, under the section "Reason", reads as follows:

    "WRC Art. 2.13 clearly states that the "... receipt by the crew of any manufactured materials (solid or liquid..." is not allowed."

    Well, actually, no motherfucker. It states that "The use or receipt by the crew of any manutfactured materials (solid or liquid, unless supplied by the organizers)..." is prohibited. Nice try leaving that part out, as if nobody would consult the fucking rulebook. Obviously the timecard is supplied by the organizers.


    The stewards' decision continues, "the time card was handed over at a regroup, which appears to have been permitted under WRC Art. 48.2.2 unless it is a regroup before a Power Stage, which was the case here"

    So let's consult the rulebook again. Rule 48.2.2 reads, "The passing of food, drink, clothing and information (data card, road book, etc.) to or from the crew when located in the zone is permitted:
    -in tyre fitting zones, in light fitting zones from the personnel authorised in the zone only;
    -in service parks, at regroups or whilst the cars are in a media zone."

    However, I cannot find any reference to not being allowed to receive materials at a regroup specifically before a power stage. I don't know where this is coming from.

    Once again, I can see absolutely zero justification for Ogier/Ingrassia being handed ANY penalty whatsoever, suspended or otherwise. I hope they will appeal and I hope that the FIA will clean up this legal mess that they created through their complete incompetence. But since the FIA are clearly borderline retarded, I don't hold out much hope.
    I think, though in more humble words, that this is the correct assement of the situation.

    (If Tanak shouldn´t have brought the timecard, Ogier had to go back to stage end (outside timezon) and let Ingrassa run and fetch the timecard. That, may have been a late in to the next timecontrol, with 20 secs penalt every minute, which should have been the only bad outcome of the mistake)
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